Actually that card does sell extremely well. It'll go for over $100, and some in the past have hit $300. No idea why/how - unless this was the guy buying them all and cornering the market. Someone should explain economics to them if that's the case.
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<< <i>Actually that card does sell extremely well. It'll go for over $100, and some in the past have hit $300. No idea why/how - unless this was the guy buying them all and cornering the market. Someone should explain economics to them if that's the case. >>
Really? Color me surprised.
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<< <i> Or a signed Ryan Leaf football that was a game used to throw a TD pass. Now that's rare!
WOW, I had to look that up. 1998 he played 10 games, attempted 245 passes ..... 2 TDs and 15 INTs. I am still laughing. >>
And yet, there were many NFL GM's that felt that Ryan Leaf was the better choice for the #1 Pick versus Peyton Manning and felt San Diego got the better of the 2 QBs...
I emailed the owner and he said there are only 3500 of those made and he has 2500 of them. Supply and demand. Not sure there are 2500 people out there wanting that card at $795
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<< <i>I emailed the owner and he said there are only 3500 of those made and he has 2500 of them. Supply and demand. Not sure there are 2500 people out there wanting that card at $795 >>
If Beckett is to be believed he's just a little off. They claim the print run is 3150 and the card has a value of 30-80 bucks.
Clearly this guy was hoarding these to inflate prices.
He picked a good set as 1996 Pinnacle Laserview Inscriptions remain quite popular. While it wasn't the first product to seed autographs, it did touch off the autograph craze in the hobby... at least on the football side of things.
I am not sure why he didn't try to corner the market on the Boomer card. If I recall correctly, Boomer has the 2nd lowest print run after Jerry Rice. While Boomer was a bit more expensive than Kramer, given the considerably lower print run, he would have spent less overall.
Glad I put my set together in 2012 when Kramer was, as it should be, a $5 card. I had quite a few extras that I sold off around the same time and Erik Kramer was buying these up at the time. Not sure as if this seller is Erik or not given they are using a different eBay ID.
While I know others will disagree, I think this is a pretty scummy thing to do. People who may want to put the set together now just may have to pass because they (rightfully) refuse to pay the $200+ ransom. It's doesn't rise to the level of cracking slabs to replace the contents, trimming/doctoring cards, fake autographs, or searching/resealing packs... but it's still scummy in my opinion.
This card has indeed sold for $300 in the last month or so and as low as $125. I wonder if the higher priced sales are from this person continuing to accumulate.
Trying to corner the market on a card like this is incredibly risky as it is so much artificial demand and as you drive the price up your cost basis soars. Let's say he bought one for $5 ten years ago. The moment you buy one for $300 your costs basis on both is $152.50. The only way this works is if you got the overwhelming majority at a very low price.
Let's pretend he bought 100 at $5. The 101st at $300 moves your cost basis $7.92. If he bought 1,000 at $15 the 1,001st at $300 your cost basis is $17.82.
There is no possible way to unload this many cards to real collectors without making the price collapse at some point. It sounds like maybe a fun game for this person but in the end I highly doubt a killing will be made.
"And yet, there were many NFL GM's that felt that Ryan Leaf was the better choice for the #1 Pick versus Peyton Manning and felt San Diego got the better of the 2 QBs"
and all of the stupid card collectors that bought into it.
me inc I still don't have a Manning sp
I didn't buy any sp from that year( or any ryan leaf) ...but in my area the big gun was randy moss
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I wonder if this guy and the 1964 Curt a Flood guy are in it together.i have begun my hoarding of 1986 Topps Vince Coleman rookies, be forewarned in a year or two I should have the price driven up to $0.25 each. In all honesty I know it's a popular set but I bet if he released 10 into the market the price would fall into that $30-80 range. Once the guy who paid $300 gets his and wins the bidding war the next guy in line gets it for $125. Next up the $75 sale. Other than set building and Kramer collectors there is not much of a market. He's not a hot prospect or soon to be HOFer. I bet if you set up at a local card show and put them out at $10 you'd be lucky to sell one. The marketed is very limited.
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<< <i>Clearly this guy was hoarding these to inflate prices.
He picked a good set as 1996 Pinnacle Laserview Inscriptions remain quite popular. While it wasn't the first product to seed autographs, it did touch off the autograph craze in the hobby... at least on the football side of things.
I am not sure why he didn't try to corner the market on the Boomer card. If I recall correctly, Boomer has the 2nd lowest print run after Jerry Rice. While Boomer was a bit more expensive than Kramer, given the considerably lower print run, he would have spent less overall.
Glad I put my set together in 2012 when Kramer was, as it should be, a $5 card. I had quite a few extras that I sold off around the same time and Erik Kramer was buying these up at the time. Not sure as if this seller is Erik or not given they are using a different eBay ID.
While I know others will disagree, I think this is a pretty scummy thing to do. People who may want to put the set together now just may have to pass because they (rightfully) refuse to pay the $200+ ransom. It's doesn't rise to the level of cracking slabs to replace the contents, trimming/doctoring cards, fake autographs, or searching/resealing packs... but it's still scummy in my opinion.
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I tend to agree except as to the extent of scumminess. It most definitely is a pain for anyone who decided recently to start collecting that set. I had the same issue with a mini card from...I can't remember...2009 or 2010 Allen and Ginter set. There was some frisbee golfer whose card wasnt showing up on ebay and on sportslots was like $20(commons of this set are generally around $0.18 to $0.50). I finally found one at a $1 BIN plus shipping, but wasn't real happy about paying even that much. I suspect the frisbee Golfer himself had bought up a large amount of cards.
Anyway, as to this seller/hoarder, ts an OCD manifestation, not bourne out of any real business sense. So on some level the hoarder is "helpless"(not really, but aside from seeking counseling....). The person may use a business level explanation as an excuse, but thats all it is.
Dpeck does a good job explaining why it doesn't make business sense..why it won't be financially lucrative(and thats without going into all the mess about how much time was spent in the accumulation process).
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<< <i>Actually that card does sell extremely well. It'll go for over $100, and some in the past have hit $300. No idea why/how - unless this was the guy buying them all and cornering the market. Someone should explain economics to them if that's the case. >>
Really? Color me surprised.
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<< <i>also don't put "will consider trade" in the description. >>
Offer him Anthony Quinn's undershirt as a trade.
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<< <i>also don't put "will consider trade" in the description. >>
Offer him Anthony Quinn's undershirt as a trade. >>
Or a signed Ryan Leaf football that was a game used to throw a TD pass. Now that's rare!
WOW, I had to look that up. 1998 he played 10 games, attempted 245 passes ..... 2 TDs and 15 INTs. I am still laughing.
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<< <i> Or a signed Ryan Leaf football that was a game used to throw a TD pass. Now that's rare!
WOW, I had to look that up. 1998 he played 10 games, attempted 245 passes ..... 2 TDs and 15 INTs. I am still laughing. >>
And yet, there were many NFL GM's that felt that Ryan Leaf was the better choice for the #1 Pick versus Peyton Manning and felt San Diego got the better of the 2 QBs...
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<< <i>I emailed the owner and he said there are only 3500 of those made and he has 2500 of them. Supply and demand. Not sure there are 2500 people out there wanting that card at $795 >>
If Beckett is to be believed he's just a little off. They claim the print run is 3150 and the card has a value of 30-80 bucks.
<< <i>Why is the print run run from Beckett not believable? Not being smart, but curious. >>
I didn't say that.
He picked a good set as 1996 Pinnacle Laserview Inscriptions remain quite popular. While it wasn't the first product to seed autographs, it did touch off the autograph craze in the hobby... at least on the football side of things.
I am not sure why he didn't try to corner the market on the Boomer card. If I recall correctly, Boomer has the 2nd lowest print run after Jerry Rice. While Boomer was a bit more expensive than Kramer, given the considerably lower print run, he would have spent less overall.
Glad I put my set together in 2012 when Kramer was, as it should be, a $5 card. I had quite a few extras that I sold off around the same time and Erik Kramer was buying these up at the time. Not sure as if this seller is Erik or not given they are using a different eBay ID.
While I know others will disagree, I think this is a pretty scummy thing to do. People who may want to put the set together now just may have to pass because they (rightfully) refuse to pay the $200+ ransom. It's doesn't rise to the level of cracking slabs to replace the contents, trimming/doctoring cards, fake autographs, or searching/resealing packs... but it's still scummy in my opinion.
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This card has indeed sold for $300 in the last month or so and as low as $125. I wonder if the higher priced sales are from this person continuing to accumulate.
Trying to corner the market on a card like this is incredibly risky as it is so much artificial demand and as you drive the price up your cost basis soars. Let's say he bought one for $5 ten years ago. The moment you buy one for $300 your costs basis on both is $152.50. The only way this works is if you got the overwhelming majority at a very low price.
Let's pretend he bought 100 at $5. The 101st at $300 moves your cost basis $7.92. If he bought 1,000 at $15 the 1,001st at $300 your cost basis is $17.82.
There is no possible way to unload this many cards to real collectors without making the price collapse at some point. It sounds like maybe a fun game for this person but in the end I highly doubt a killing will be made.
and all of the stupid card collectors that bought into it.
me inc I still don't have a Manning sp
I didn't buy any sp from that year( or any ryan leaf) ...but in my area the big gun was randy moss
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<< <i>Clearly this guy was hoarding these to inflate prices.
He picked a good set as 1996 Pinnacle Laserview Inscriptions remain quite popular. While it wasn't the first product to seed autographs, it did touch off the autograph craze in the hobby... at least on the football side of things.
I am not sure why he didn't try to corner the market on the Boomer card. If I recall correctly, Boomer has the 2nd lowest print run after Jerry Rice. While Boomer was a bit more expensive than Kramer, given the considerably lower print run, he would have spent less overall.
Glad I put my set together in 2012 when Kramer was, as it should be, a $5 card. I had quite a few extras that I sold off around the same time and Erik Kramer was buying these up at the time. Not sure as if this seller is Erik or not given they are using a different eBay ID.
While I know others will disagree, I think this is a pretty scummy thing to do. People who may want to put the set together now just may have to pass because they (rightfully) refuse to pay the $200+ ransom. It's doesn't rise to the level of cracking slabs to replace the contents, trimming/doctoring cards, fake autographs, or searching/resealing packs... but it's still scummy in my opinion.
Snorto~ >>
I tend to agree except as to the extent of scumminess. It most definitely is a pain for anyone who decided recently to start collecting that set. I had the same issue with a mini card from...I can't remember...2009 or 2010 Allen and Ginter set. There was some frisbee golfer whose card wasnt showing up on ebay and on sportslots was like $20(commons of this set are generally around $0.18 to $0.50). I finally found one at a $1 BIN plus shipping, but wasn't real happy about paying even that much. I suspect the frisbee Golfer himself had bought up a large amount of cards.
Anyway, as to this seller/hoarder, ts an OCD manifestation, not bourne out of any real business sense. So on some level the hoarder is "helpless"(not really, but aside from seeking counseling....). The person may use a business level explanation as an excuse, but thats all it is.
Dpeck does a good job explaining why it doesn't make business sense..why it won't be financially lucrative(and thats without going into all the mess about how much time was spent in the accumulation process).