<< <i>This link didn't take me to any particular post.
Can't you just say what the coin was ? >>
I think they may have blocked links originating from this forum. If you copy and paste the link into a fresh browser window (instead of clicking on it), it works.
Anyways, the coin itself is a darkside error coin, specifically, a 1927 Palestine 5 Mils coin with the central hole punched off-center. Let me load a photobucket image:
<< <i>In the interest of completeness, please allow me to offer the input of someone with a different viewpoint - that of one of those Coin Community Admins you're having so much fun hating on. Heck, I'm probably the one who frosts you the most.
Coin Community was created to nurture and develop new collectors, specifically including YN's. We have young members there, and you would not believe the hoops we jump through to keep that site safe for kids. Or, I should say you wouldn't believe it only because you never read the rules, where we quite clearly outline our mission, including the phrase "If you wouldn't want your 10 year old daughter to see it, then don't post it here," which should be a hint. We run the place to a strict G-rating, and that is final. We meet the standards for hosting people under 13, and we always will. If you spam us with affiliate links, don't care about the ad content on your site, publish material known to be untrue, or similar as a website, you go away and you don't get a second chance. Members get extra chances, like FadeToBlack did. We have a few solid members who didn't catch on the first time; it's worth our effort to try to rehabilitate.
Imgur does not filter. No biggie. It's their right. We can't allow linking to them as a result. No biggie there, either, at least to our other 30k members. Our own image-editing upload routine holds you to a small filesize, but I have no trouble making it display gradable 800px images, and all you need to do is link from a host with more control granularity and we won't care.
CCF is wrapping up yet another FUN show, where we've given away a few hundred more pounds of coins to kids that were either donated by the membership or purchased by the site. That's what we do; that's what we're about; if you want to be part of it you're going to be held to a higher standard of behavior in our forum than on any other. We take very seriously the responsibility of ensuring there are collectors into the future, the same way you look at your responsibility as temporary owners of the history you have in your slabs. Same goal.
It's that simple.
And FadeToBlack, please don't make me publish the entire episode with you. We delete nothing. We have every word of that drawn-out episode. You won't like it. We still think you're just someone who simply refuses to live with our rule system, and that's fine. >>
So you're all about nurturing new collectors & YN's but you come here and threaten someone? Wow, you're setting a great example. >>
I think the poster is simply trying to defend the forums position since nobody here has a clue as to what happened and I, for one, am not viewing CCF in a real favorable light. This entire thread is aimed at diminishing the character of that forum by dramatizing the difficulty the OP had in purchasing a coin due to "their" rules, which they designed to protect YN's, and supposedly their admins. The thread itself is in violation of PCGS's set rules since it has nothing to do with US Coins. Heck, I haven't even seen what the coin was that was reason to generate this thread.
I can respect the effort and do not really see this as a "threat" as much as "the other side to the story".
How often are threads posted with only one side of the story only to find that when the other side gets shared, it takes on a new light?
BTW, I'm 19Lyds over there and on most other forums. It's always nice to know exactly who you are dealing with.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>It's all about controlling the message and keeping their user base a captive audience. That's why they make the rules as obscure as possible and longer than hell. Its like the iTunes terms and conditions, nobody reads all that. Notice what happens when they can't edit posts and control the message? They start making threats in an attempt to get their way. >>
Like the way you edited that post to remove the compliment you gave me, once you realized it was me posting here.
Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites.
Honestly, how could you expect that not to get a rise out of us? I'm not offering judgement, just trying to give you an idea of the thinking behind the actions.
Proudly upholding derelict standards for five decades.
<< <i>This link didn't take me to any particular post.
Can't you just say what the coin was ? >>
I think they may have blocked links originating from this forum. If you copy and paste the link into a fresh browser window (instead of clicking on it), it works.
Anyways, the coin itself is a darkside error coin, specifically, a 1927 Palestine 5 Mils coin with the central hole punched off-center. Let me load a photobucket image:
>>
Ahhh. Thank You as that worked well.
I don't know how I feel about this action as it seems ..................... childish.
But, whatever, their forum their rules.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites. >>
If we're discussing the issue in good faith, then let me answer. - True, I came back to your site after a long absence, I don't think this in itself violates any rules. - I made two similar (not identical) posts in two error coin related forums, I believe one was the world error coin and the other the Canadian error coins. The posts were not spammy in any way, but were deemed off topic by your staff and were deleted, fine - I have no objections to that. However, my account was then banned. - I send you a polite e-mail, quoted below: "Hi, I understand my post was in violation of forum rules. Sorry about that. But does that mean I'm now banned? Seems my login password is rejected, even after following through the "recover forgotten password" procedure." - I received no response - I re-registered again. I don't know if you "allowed" it or simply didn't notice. - I participated well for a time - Then, I posted a request for information, and got some very nice replies. Then, one poster tried to post a link to the following website: http://finderrorcoins.com/. The post remained but the link was removed by an automated filter. I didn't know until later which site was removed. - In your own rules you say that keyword filtering is not an exact science. I didn't know which site was blocked, or why. All I knew that in an on-topic thread, someone wanted to give me on-topic information which I asked for, and that some automated system was getting in the way. I didn't "teach" anyone how to bypass filters. I asked if he could sent the link to me by PM, or perhaps post the URL differently so the autofilter won't get mad at us. I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong at that point, I just thought your software is acting up, maybe falsely triggered by a keyword. BTW, it didn't work, the link remained banned even after I supposedly "taught" him the dark art. - BTW, I don't know why this particular website is banned, I can't see anything wrong with it. Even if I had a hypothetical 12 year old daughter, I wouldn't mind her seeing it. But again, your site, your rules, you want to block it - I have no issue with that. - My post was deleted. I have no issue with that as well. - My account was not banned at this point. I was able to make 3 more posts and send someone a PM. - At that point I received the following mail from you: "Seriously? A site is banned from here and you tell another member just to “bypass” the filter? Who the hell do you think you are? You don’t run this joint. Not even close." - Well, didn't know you run a "joint". Talk about your 12 year old girl and her sensitivities, do you talk this way around your kids? I also couldn't figure out from the e-mail who is the person who was sending it. Was it the forum admin for the specific sub-forum (world error and variety forum)? Was it the website owner? Are they one and the same? Is there a a higher power? - I sent the following reply: "Dear Forum-Admin, Hiding behind the anonymous cloak of "CCF Forum Admin" does not mean you can send me abusive and insulting messages. If I were to use this kind of language on the forum or in an e-mail correspondence do you, I would have been banned for life. Common courtesy is a two-way street." - And THAT got me banned. - I sent another e-mail protesting the new ban, and received no reply whatsoever.
Bottom line: The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants?
Bottom line: The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants? >>
<< <i>Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites. >>
If we're discussing the issue in good faith, then let me answer. - True, I came back to your site after a long absence, I don't think this in itself violates any rules. - I made two similar (not identical) posts in two error coin related forums, I believe one was the world error coin and the other the Canadian error coins. The posts were not spammy in any way, but were deemed off topic by your staff and were deleted, fine - I have no objections to that. However, my account was then banned. - I send you a polite e-mail, quoted below: "Hi, I understand my post was in violation of forum rules. Sorry about that. But does that mean I'm now banned? Seems my login password is rejected, even after following through the "recover forgotten password" procedure." - I received no response - I re-registered again. I don't know if you "allowed" it or simply didn't notice. - I participated well for a time - Then, I posted a request for information, and got some very nice replies. Then, one poster tried to post a link to the following website: http://finderrorcoins.com/. The post remained but the link was removed by an automated filter. I didn't know until later which site was removed. - In your own rules you say that keyword filtering is not an exact science. I didn't know which site was blocked, or why. All I knew that in an on-topic thread, someone wanted to give me on-topic information which I asked for, and that some automated system was getting in the way. I didn't "teach" anyone how to bypass filters. I asked if he could sent the link to me by PM, or perhaps post the URL differently so the autofilter won't get mad at us. I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong at that point, I just thought your software is acting up, maybe falsely triggered by a keyword. BTW, it didn't work, the link remained banned even after I supposedly "taught" him the dark art. - BTW, I don't know why this particular website is banned, I can't see anything wrong with it. Even if I had a hypothetical 12 year old daughter, I wouldn't mind her seeing it. But again, your site, your rules, you want to block it - I have no issue with that. - My post was deleted. I have no issue with that as well. - My account was not banned at this point. I was able to make 3 more posts and send someone a PM. - At that point I received the following mail from you: "Seriously? A site is banned from here and you tell another member just to “bypass” the filter? Who the hell do you think you are? You don’t run this joint. Not even close." - Well, didn't know you run a "joint". Talk about your 12 year old girl and her sensitivities, do you talk this way around your kids? I also couldn't figure out from the e-mail who is the person who was sending it. Was it the forum admin for the specific sub-forum (world error and variety forum)? Was it the website owner? Are they one and the same? Is there a a higher power? - I sent the following reply: "Dear Forum-Admin, Hiding behind the anonymous cloak of "CCF Forum Admin" does not mean you can send me abusive and insulting messages. If I were to use this kind of language on the forum or in an e-mail correspondence do you, I would have been banned for life. Common courtesy is a two-way street." - And THAT got me banned. - I sent another e-mail protesting the new ban, and received no reply whatsoever.
Bottom line: The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants? >>
This is very well stated. I think it was interesting how the CCF forum claims to be a family/YN friendly place yet they send you an e-mail, that would use that kind of language. Do they also talk that way to YN when they make a mistake. Knowing what I know about that forum, I would not want my kids on that forum. That being said everyone can make a mistake, include the forum administrators at CCF. Let's see if they admit their mistake, apologize, and un-ban you. I can see how perhaps they lost their temper and sent an e-mail they regret. I think we have all done that at one time or another.
<< <i> With luck your Admins will disappear this thread >>
That WOULD be quite convenient, for you, wouldn't it? The information put out about this "CCF" website/forum, and even your own way of coming on here and "defending" with your passive-aggressive threats, don't paint a good light at all. 1 (ONE) member here has said good things about your forum. One. That's it. And the way he has been doing it, WAY TOO MUCH, imho, has been a major turn-off as well.
I have a YN. I don't let him on this site, or others like it, unless I am showing him stuff. Some things do get out of control. However, I am a parent. I will handle it. I have also taught him to be responsible. He CAN browse the web without me looking over his shoulder each step of the way. I don't block sites on him. It wouldn't do any good as kids have phones cable of browsing, they have friends, etc etc etc. Trying to be too heavy handed is a waste and an ego trip. That's all it is. IF the replies to the OP were what have been posted, then obviously whatever admin/moderator that was is definitely on an ego trip.
From "1921obsession"'s replies so far in this thread, including the snippet I quoted above, I still lean towards "ego trips" and have no desire to visit that forum. Not for fear of banning but because they obviously feel a need for power and to make sure others know they have it.
No forum is perfect, no membership is without problems or without bannings that will happen. The trick is to walk that fine line and understand if someone is actually breaking the rules, breaking them on purpose, and doing anything malignantly. If not, then a banning need not occur.
Man....I knew nothing about this "CCF" before this weekend and, from reading this thread and how they operate, I wish I was still ignorant about them. What a waste.
There are some decent threads on the CCF forum that I've bookmarked over the years . There is less koolaid drinking over there but it sounds like that void has been filled by something even less appealing.
OK... within a US coin forum (i.e., here), there is a great effort to complain about another coin forum??
I fail to see how that is relevant at all to this forum (the coin is not even US), let alone this entire site??
Of course, I have only to look in the mirror to find blame for wasting my time reading this entire thread...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer
IMHO this thread is relevant because it addresses coin related issues.
I Joined that site 1/06. It was pretty nice. A very positive and informative site. I forget what happened but there was some petty bickering by established members over some limited coins they had Mr. Carr make. I just left for a few years. I came back about a year ago and I have to say there are some very knowledgeable people there but the warm fuzzy has left the house.
A bird sitting on a tree is never afraid of the branch breaking because it's trust is not in the branch but it's own wings.
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<< <i>This link didn't take me to any particular post.
Can't you just say what the coin was ? >>
I think they may have blocked links originating from this forum. If you copy and paste the link into a fresh browser window (instead of clicking on it), it works.
Anyways, the coin itself is a darkside error coin, specifically, a 1927 Palestine 5 Mils coin with the central hole punched off-center. Let me load a photobucket image:
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<< <i>In the interest of completeness, please allow me to offer the input of someone with a different viewpoint - that of one of those Coin Community Admins you're having so much fun hating on. Heck, I'm probably the one who frosts you the most.
Coin Community was created to nurture and develop new collectors, specifically including YN's. We have young members there, and you would not believe the hoops we jump through to keep that site safe for kids. Or, I should say you wouldn't believe it only because you never read the rules, where we quite clearly outline our mission, including the phrase "If you wouldn't want your 10 year old daughter to see it, then don't post it here," which should be a hint. We run the place to a strict G-rating, and that is final. We meet the standards for hosting people under 13, and we always will. If you spam us with affiliate links, don't care about the ad content on your site, publish material known to be untrue, or similar as a website, you go away and you don't get a second chance. Members get extra chances, like FadeToBlack did. We have a few solid members who didn't catch on the first time; it's worth our effort to try to rehabilitate.
Imgur does not filter. No biggie. It's their right. We can't allow linking to them as a result. No biggie there, either, at least to our other 30k members. Our own image-editing upload routine holds you to a small filesize, but I have no trouble making it display gradable 800px images, and all you need to do is link from a host with more control granularity and we won't care.
CCF is wrapping up yet another FUN show, where we've given away a few hundred more pounds of coins to kids that were either donated by the membership or purchased by the site. That's what we do; that's what we're about; if you want to be part of it you're going to be held to a higher standard of behavior in our forum than on any other. We take very seriously the responsibility of ensuring there are collectors into the future, the same way you look at your responsibility as temporary owners of the history you have in your slabs. Same goal.
It's that simple.
And FadeToBlack, please don't make me publish the entire episode with you. We delete nothing. We have every word of that drawn-out episode. You won't like it. We still think you're just someone who simply refuses to live with our rule system, and that's fine. >>
So you're all about nurturing new collectors & YN's but you come here and threaten someone? Wow, you're setting a great example. >>
I think the poster is simply trying to defend the forums position since nobody here has a clue as to what happened and I, for one, am not viewing CCF in a real favorable light. This entire thread is aimed at diminishing the character of that forum by dramatizing the difficulty the OP had in purchasing a coin due to "their" rules, which they designed to protect YN's, and supposedly their admins. The thread itself is in violation of PCGS's set rules since it has nothing to do with US Coins. Heck, I haven't even seen what the coin was that was reason to generate this thread.
I can respect the effort and do not really see this as a "threat" as much as "the other side to the story".
How often are threads posted with only one side of the story only to find that when the other side gets shared, it takes on a new light?
BTW, I'm 19Lyds over there and on most other forums. It's always nice to know exactly who you are dealing with.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>It's all about controlling the message and keeping their user base a captive audience. That's why they make the rules as obscure as possible and longer than hell. Its like the iTunes terms and conditions, nobody reads all that. Notice what happens when they can't edit posts and control the message? They start making threats in an attempt to get their way. >>
Like the way you edited that post to remove the compliment you gave me, once you realized it was me posting here.
Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites.
Honestly, how could you expect that not to get a rise out of us? I'm not offering judgement, just trying to give you an idea of the thinking behind the actions.
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<< <i>This link didn't take me to any particular post.
Can't you just say what the coin was ? >>
I think they may have blocked links originating from this forum. If you copy and paste the link into a fresh browser window (instead of clicking on it), it works.
Anyways, the coin itself is a darkside error coin, specifically, a 1927 Palestine 5 Mils coin with the central hole punched off-center. Let me load a photobucket image:
Ahhh. Thank You as that worked well.
I don't know how I feel about this action as it seems ..................... childish.
But, whatever, their forum their rules.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites. >>
If we're discussing the issue in good faith, then let me answer.
- True, I came back to your site after a long absence, I don't think this in itself violates any rules.
- I made two similar (not identical) posts in two error coin related forums, I believe one was the world error coin and the other the Canadian error coins. The posts were not spammy in any way, but were deemed off topic by your staff and were deleted, fine - I have no objections to that. However, my account was then banned.
- I send you a polite e-mail, quoted below:
"Hi,
I understand my post was in violation of forum rules. Sorry about that. But does that mean I'm now banned? Seems my login password is rejected, even after following through the "recover forgotten password" procedure."
- I received no response
- I re-registered again. I don't know if you "allowed" it or simply didn't notice.
- I participated well for a time
- Then, I posted a request for information, and got some very nice replies. Then, one poster tried to post a link to the following website: http://finderrorcoins.com/. The post remained but the link was removed by an automated filter. I didn't know until later which site was removed.
- In your own rules you say that keyword filtering is not an exact science. I didn't know which site was blocked, or why. All I knew that in an on-topic thread, someone wanted to give me on-topic information which I asked for, and that some automated system was getting in the way. I didn't "teach" anyone how to bypass filters. I asked if he could sent the link to me by PM, or perhaps post the URL differently so the autofilter won't get mad at us. I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong at that point, I just thought your software is acting up, maybe falsely triggered by a keyword. BTW, it didn't work, the link remained banned even after I supposedly "taught" him the dark art.
- BTW, I don't know why this particular website is banned, I can't see anything wrong with it. Even if I had a hypothetical 12 year old daughter, I wouldn't mind her seeing it. But again, your site, your rules, you want to block it - I have no issue with that.
- My post was deleted. I have no issue with that as well.
- My account was not banned at this point. I was able to make 3 more posts and send someone a PM.
- At that point I received the following mail from you:
"Seriously? A site is banned from here and you tell another member just to “bypass” the filter?
Who the hell do you think you are?
You don’t run this joint. Not even close."
- Well, didn't know you run a "joint". Talk about your 12 year old girl and her sensitivities, do you talk this way around your kids? I also couldn't figure out from the e-mail who is the person who was sending it. Was it the forum admin for the specific sub-forum (world error and variety forum)? Was it the website owner? Are they one and the same? Is there a a higher power?
- I sent the following reply:
"Dear Forum-Admin,
Hiding behind the anonymous cloak of "CCF Forum Admin" does not mean you can send me abusive and insulting messages. If I were to use this kind of language on the forum or in an e-mail correspondence do you, I would have been banned for life. Common courtesy is a two-way street."
- And THAT got me banned.
- I sent another e-mail protesting the new ban, and received no reply whatsoever.
Bottom line:
The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants?
In the for what its worth category CoinZip is banned from that site too.... Oh well, there are better smelling fish in the sea.........
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Bottom line:
The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants? >>
Ssuperdave admit a mistake. Surely you jest.
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<< <i>Desslok, I'll explain how your situation worked, from our standpoint, as objectively as I can. Your original account made a few posts and then disappeared for a year and a half. You then returned, posting two identical "want to buy" threads and nothing else, both in the wrong places. We get two or three of those a day, virtually all spammers, low-postcount accounts which hang around for a bit and then spam the forum all of a sudden. Far was we were concerned, you were just one of them and that account got banned on the spot. You then immediately registered a new account (where else can you get banned, and then allowed to re-register? You weren't the first banned member we've forgiven), obvious because the IP was the same, and we let you post. It was the right thing to do - you're a good poster - until you taught someone in public how to get around our website filters to post blocked sites. >>
If we're discussing the issue in good faith, then let me answer.
- True, I came back to your site after a long absence, I don't think this in itself violates any rules.
- I made two similar (not identical) posts in two error coin related forums, I believe one was the world error coin and the other the Canadian error coins. The posts were not spammy in any way, but were deemed off topic by your staff and were deleted, fine - I have no objections to that. However, my account was then banned.
- I send you a polite e-mail, quoted below:
"Hi,
I understand my post was in violation of forum rules. Sorry about that. But does that mean I'm now banned? Seems my login password is rejected, even after following through the "recover forgotten password" procedure."
- I received no response
- I re-registered again. I don't know if you "allowed" it or simply didn't notice.
- I participated well for a time
- Then, I posted a request for information, and got some very nice replies. Then, one poster tried to post a link to the following website: http://finderrorcoins.com/. The post remained but the link was removed by an automated filter. I didn't know until later which site was removed.
- In your own rules you say that keyword filtering is not an exact science. I didn't know which site was blocked, or why. All I knew that in an on-topic thread, someone wanted to give me on-topic information which I asked for, and that some automated system was getting in the way. I didn't "teach" anyone how to bypass filters. I asked if he could sent the link to me by PM, or perhaps post the URL differently so the autofilter won't get mad at us. I honestly didn't think there was anything wrong at that point, I just thought your software is acting up, maybe falsely triggered by a keyword. BTW, it didn't work, the link remained banned even after I supposedly "taught" him the dark art.
- BTW, I don't know why this particular website is banned, I can't see anything wrong with it. Even if I had a hypothetical 12 year old daughter, I wouldn't mind her seeing it. But again, your site, your rules, you want to block it - I have no issue with that.
- My post was deleted. I have no issue with that as well.
- My account was not banned at this point. I was able to make 3 more posts and send someone a PM.
- At that point I received the following mail from you:
"Seriously? A site is banned from here and you tell another member just to “bypass” the filter?
Who the hell do you think you are?
You don’t run this joint. Not even close."
- Well, didn't know you run a "joint". Talk about your 12 year old girl and her sensitivities, do you talk this way around your kids? I also couldn't figure out from the e-mail who is the person who was sending it. Was it the forum admin for the specific sub-forum (world error and variety forum)? Was it the website owner? Are they one and the same? Is there a a higher power?
- I sent the following reply:
"Dear Forum-Admin,
Hiding behind the anonymous cloak of "CCF Forum Admin" does not mean you can send me abusive and insulting messages. If I were to use this kind of language on the forum or in an e-mail correspondence do you, I would have been banned for life. Common courtesy is a two-way street."
- And THAT got me banned.
- I sent another e-mail protesting the new ban, and received no reply whatsoever.
Bottom line:
The one thing that bothers me in the whole story is that you look back at the course of events and it doesn't even cross your mind that there is a remote possibility that you may have made a mistake, that you banned someone who totally did nothing wrong, not deliberately anyway, and someone who can be a valid poster. On this thread, numerous others report having had the same treatment from you, yet they are all valid posters here. It's not that your standards are higher, it's just they are arbitrary and random, and you don't care who you hurt along the way. You boast 30000 members, but how many actually post? Take the world variety and error forum, where I participated, as an example. The first page goes back months. There is just so little traffic. Could it be because you banned so many participants? >>
This is very well stated. I think it was interesting how the CCF forum claims to be a family/YN friendly place yet they send you an e-mail, that would use that kind of language. Do they also talk that way to YN when they make a mistake. Knowing what I know about that forum, I would not want my kids on that forum. That being said everyone can make a mistake, include the forum administrators at CCF. Let's see if they admit their mistake, apologize, and un-ban you. I can see how perhaps they lost their temper and sent an e-mail they regret. I think we have all done that at one time or another.
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<< <i> With luck your Admins will disappear this thread >>
That WOULD be quite convenient, for you, wouldn't it?
The information put out about this "CCF" website/forum, and even your own way of coming on here and "defending" with your passive-aggressive threats, don't paint a good light at all.
1 (ONE) member here has said good things about your forum. One. That's it. And the way he has been doing it, WAY TOO MUCH, imho, has been a major turn-off as well.
I have a YN. I don't let him on this site, or others like it, unless I am showing him stuff. Some things do get out of control. However, I am a parent. I will handle it. I have also taught him to be responsible. He CAN browse the web without me looking over his shoulder each step of the way. I don't block sites on him. It wouldn't do any good as kids have phones cable of browsing, they have friends, etc etc etc. Trying to be too heavy handed is a waste and an ego trip. That's all it is. IF the replies to the OP were what have been posted, then obviously whatever admin/moderator that was is definitely on an ego trip.
From "1921obsession"'s replies so far in this thread, including the snippet I quoted above, I still lean towards "ego trips" and have no desire to visit that forum. Not for fear of banning but because they obviously feel a need for power and to make sure others know they have it.
No forum is perfect, no membership is without problems or without bannings that will happen. The trick is to walk that fine line and understand if someone is actually breaking the rules, breaking them on purpose, and doing anything malignantly. If not, then a banning need not occur.
Man....I knew nothing about this "CCF" before this weekend and, from reading this thread and how they operate, I wish I was still ignorant about them. What a waste.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
There are some decent threads on the CCF forum that I've bookmarked over the years . There is less koolaid drinking over there but it sounds like that void has been filled by something even less appealing.
I fail to see how that is relevant at all to this forum (the coin is not even US), let alone this entire site??
Of course, I have only to look in the mirror to find blame for wasting my time reading this entire thread...
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I Joined that site 1/06. It was pretty nice. A very positive and informative site.
I forget what happened but there was some petty bickering by established
members over some limited coins they had Mr. Carr make. I just left for a few years.
I came back about a year ago and I have to say there are some very knowledgeable
people there but the warm fuzzy has left the house.