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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>Tempest in a teapot. I'm more ticked that nothing was called when Bigmouth Bryant came out on the field with no helmet. >>



    as the FOX crew fawned over them and caught him in full roar while skipping merrily back to the locker room with Joyful Jerry on his heels. image
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    Can you guys explain how everyone else thinks it was a horrendous pick up of that flag?

    Hey Perkdog, do you mean everyone else other than the ones who don't think it was horrendous? Sounds like a bunch of whining Cowboys haters. As usual there were bad calls going both ways and Detroit did still "let" Dallas go down and convert on a 4th and 7 and then continue on for a touchdown. Not to mention that Detroit had over 2 minutes and 3 timeouts to score and they could barely get past midfield. So everyone can complain about the call with 9 minutes left and ignore the other bad calls, but the only fact that matters is that Romo came through and Stafford couldntimage
  • ymareaymarea Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭
    I am 50 years old and have been a dyed-in-the-wool Cowboys fan since I was 7 or 8. Even I must admit that the DPI call should have stood. I have seen worse infractions go uncalled, and have seen less egregious one's get flagged; yet I don't recall ever seeing one as bad as that get overturned. Worse than the DPI call/non-call was the no-call on Bryant for unsportsmanlike conduct. That one is a no-brainer. The Cowboys truly lucked out with that one.

    My complaint is with those who say the reversal cost Detroit the game. At the time, Detroit led 20-17 and there was still a lot of time (8 mins or so) remaining in the quarter. Granted, had the Lions gotten the call and gone on to score a TD, their chances of winning would have been great. However, there is no telling how that drive would have ended, nor what Dallas would have done in response had Detroit extended their lead to 6 or 10.

    Picking up the flag didn't make Jim Caldwell decide to punt on 4th-and-1. It didn't make the punter shank it for a mere 10 yards. It didn't prevent Detroit's defense from stopping a 4th-and-6 or from keeping Dallas from marching the 59 yards needed for the go-ahead TD. Nor did it cause Detroit to commit 2 defensive holding penalties that kept that drive going. The reversal didn't cause Detroit's offense to turn the ball over on successive possessions after Dallas' final TD.

    Reversing the call, which I concede was the wrong decision, didn't cost Detroit the game. It cost them an opportunity. They had many opportunities after the poor reversal.

    It's true that the better team doesn't always win, but the better team never lets the game get away after holding a 14-0 lead after one, or a 20-7 3rd-quarter lead. To the Lions' collective credit, although every member of that team whom I have heard address this issue agreed that the DPI call should have stood, none claimed that it cost them the game.
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  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    My complaint is with those who say the reversal cost Detroit the game. At the time, Detroit led 20-17 and there was still a lot of time (8 mins or so) remaining in the quarter. Granted, had the Lions gotten the call and gone on to score a TD, their chances of winning would have been great. However, there is no telling how that drive would have ended, nor what Dallas would have done in response had Detroit extended their lead to 6 or 10.

    Picking up the flag didn't make Jim Caldwell decide to punt on 4th-and-1. It didn't make the punter shank it for a mere 10 yards. It didn't prevent Detroit's defense from stopping a 4th-and-6 or from keeping Dallas from marching the 59 yards needed for the go-ahead TD. Nor did it cause Detroit to commit 2 defensive holding penalties that kept that drive going. The reversal didn't cause Detroit's offense to turn the ball over on successive possessions after Dallas' final TD.

    Reversing the call, which I concede was the wrong decision, didn't cost Detroit the game. It cost them an opportunity. They had many opportunities after the poor reversal.

    It's true that the better team doesn't always win, but the better team never lets the game get away after holding a 14-0 lead after one, or a 20-7 3rd-quarter lead. To the Lions' collective credit, although every member of that team whom I have heard address this issue agreed that the DPI call should have stood, none claimed that it cost them the game.


    +1 ymarea

    Very well written and objective.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm looking forward to watching the Cowboys defense trying to tackle 260 pound Eddie Lacy next week in sub freezing temperatures.
    If you feel bad for Detroit getting the shaft, you'll feel even worse watching the Cowboys playing under those conditions.
    Forget about their away record this year. They've haven't played under those conditions in a LONG time. >>



    Yah, they probably haven't played in these conditions since "The Frozen Bowl" or whatever our resident Cowboy fan man deemed it

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My complaint is with those who say the reversal cost Detroit the game. At the time, Detroit led 20-17 and there was still a lot of time (8 mins or so) remaining in the quarter. Granted, had the Lions gotten the call and gone on to score a TD, their chances of winning would have been great. However, there is no telling how that drive would have ended, nor what Dallas would have done in response had Detroit extended their lead to 6 or 10.

    Picking up the flag didn't make Jim Caldwell decide to punt on 4th-and-1. It didn't make the punter shank it for a mere 10 yards. It didn't prevent Detroit's defense from stopping a 4th-and-6 or from keeping Dallas from marching the 59 yards needed for the go-ahead TD. Nor did it cause Detroit to commit 2 defensive holding penalties that kept that drive going. The reversal didn't cause Detroit's offense to turn the ball over on successive possessions after Dallas' final TD.

    Reversing the call, which I concede was the wrong decision, didn't cost Detroit the game. It cost them an opportunity. They had many opportunities after the poor reversal.

    It's true that the better team doesn't always win, but the better team never lets the game get away after holding a 14-0 lead after one, or a 20-7 3rd-quarter lead. To the Lions' collective credit, although every member of that team whom I have heard address this issue agreed that the DPI call should have stood, none claimed that it cost them the game.


    +1 ymarea

    Very well written and objective. >>



    I can live with this with one caveat.............while one play almost never decides a game this one certainly shifted momentum and turned the tide. A different outcome if the Lions punch it in on that drive. Yes, the Lions still could have risen above this poor officiating decision in spite of all of that. Still sucks.

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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Agree. It's impossible to know if this one miss cost them the game. Either way, it shouldn't be used as an excuse by the Lions. They had their chances, and they didn't finish the job as great teams do. Detroit is not yet a great team.

    Still, the Cowboy homerism is alive and well on these boards. Nice to see a few Dallas fans that are somewhat objective about this one mistake.
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another lifelong Cowboy fan here.

    As "the play" unfolded I thought/hoped no call.

    I don't think the flag should have been picked up, once thrown.

    I think waaayy too much of a big deal is being made of it. Plenty of other sketchy calls and non-calls against Dallas balance out, imo.

    For those licking their chops about Green Bay crushing Dallas next week....Fine.

    I expected a horrible season. Last in the NFC East.

    Finishing 12-4 and soundly winning the division is remarkable. Anything else is icing.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Can you guys explain how everyone else thinks it was a horrendous pick up of that flag?

    Hey Perkdog, do you mean everyone else other than the ones who don't think it was horrendous? Sounds like a bunch of whining Cowboys haters. As usual there were bad calls going both ways and Detroit did still "let" Dallas go down and convert on a 4th and 7 and then continue on for a touchdown. Not to mention that Detroit had over 2 minutes and 3 timeouts to score and they could barely get past midfield. So everyone can complain about the call with 9 minutes left and ignore the other bad calls, but the only fact that matters is that Romo came through and Stafford couldntimage >>




    As Ive stated, I dont have a horse in this race and Im not a fan or hater of either team. I would have been 100% fine if either Romo or Stafford won the Super Bowl if the Pats dont, that being said it was an absurd call to pick up that flag and that type of thing is everything thats wrong with the NFL, the media and pretty much everyone thinks it was a blown call except a few stubborn people, it annoys me to read posts that go against the grain and logic.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really dont like or dislike either Detroit or Dallas, in fact Id be fine with either team winning the Super Bowl if the Pats dont.

    It was a blown call the way I see it and most everyone else who isnt a Cowboy fan sees it as well.

    Did it cost Detroit the game? Maybe not but it sure turned the tide of the game whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Can you guys explain how everyone else thinks it was a horrendous pick up of that flag?

    Hey Perkdog, do you mean everyone else other than the ones who don't think it was horrendous? Sounds like a bunch of whining Cowboys haters. As usual there were bad calls going both ways and Detroit did still "let" Dallas go down and convert on a 4th and 7 and then continue on for a touchdown. Not to mention that Detroit had over 2 minutes and 3 timeouts to score and they could barely get past midfield. So everyone can complain about the call with 9 minutes left and ignore the other bad calls, but the only fact that matters is that Romo came through and Stafford couldntimage >>



    I really dont like or dislike either Detroit or Dallas, in fact Id be fine with either team winning the Super Bowl if the Pats dont.

    It was a blown call the way I see it and most everyone else who isnt a Cowboy fan sees it as well.

    Did it cost Detroit the game? Maybe not but it sure turned the tide of the game whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It was a blown call the way I see it and most everyone else who isnt a Cowboy fan sees it as well. >>



    You know that watching a few talking heads for a couple hours after the game isn't the same as polling data, right? It's unlikely you will ever know what "most everyone else who isn't a Cowboy fan" feels about any subject, ever. I suspect you know that, but your emotions have gotten the better of you on this subject for whatever reason. This thread is full of agendas masquerading as logic.

    As usual, the 50/50 call in the football game draws out opinions that say far more about people's own biases and preferred narratives than anything insightful about the actual play. My favorite part is how people who choose the "Detroit lost the game on a missed DPI call with ~8 mins left" narrative completely dismiss the possibility that Detroit might still have continued to play badly and then fumble the ball multiple times down the stretch. Like all of the Lions' bad decisions/executions COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED if one call went their way. Like the only possible outcome after DPI was Detroit turns into a fine tuned machine and Dallas crumbles under the weight of one play. Gimme a break.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad. As the play unfolded in real speed it did look like PI. But in slo-mo it is clear that the ball hit the defender before he made contact....except for the hand checking they both were doing (which is always allowed) so I believe they got it right. Instant replay has done away with most of the bad calls we have had to endure over the years, but we will never get to the point where everyone is happy all the time. I do believe Dallas deserved to win. They did what they had to do to win and Detroit didn't. I believe Romo is better than Stafford and Dallas is better than Detroit.

    Like they used to tell me years ago when I whined over what I thought was a bad call......"Get over it"! One call does not make a game.
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad.

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    I love it when fanboys of a given team have a call go their way and they say "well, I'd have agreed with the call either way because when you objectively analyze all the elements of the altercation this was the right call..." What a big steaming pile! If it went against them you'd have gone ballistic and you know it. LMAO

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad. As the play unfolded in real speed it did look like PI. But in slo-mo it is clear that the ball hit the defender before he made contact....except for the hand checking they both were doing (which is always allowed) so I believe they got it right. >>



    Of course you believe what you want to believe. They actually have meds for that sort of things these days.

    Sorry to pee in your Wheaties but I will go with the the head of NFL officiating over that of an ill informed fan man--------------

    NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino isn’t trying to sugarcoat the key call that went against the Lions in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys.

    Blandino, appearing on PFT Live, told Mike Florio that Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens did get away with a penalty on the Lions’ fourth-quarter pass to Brandon Pettigrew. But Blandino said the missed call that troubled him most was not the pass interference flag that was originally thrown but later picked up.

    According to Blandino, the clear penalty Hitchens got away with was defensive holding: Hitchens grabbed Pettigrew’s jersey while Pettigrew was running his route, and Blandino said that should have been called. If it had been, it would have given the Lions an automatic first down.
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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad. As the play unfolded in real speed it did look like PI. But in slo-mo it is clear that the ball hit the defender before he made contact....except for the hand checking they both were doing (which is always allowed) so I believe they got it right. Instant replay has done away with most of the bad calls we have had to endure over the years, but we will never get to the point where everyone is happy all the time. I do believe Dallas deserved to win. They did what they had to do to win and Detroit didn't. I believe Romo is better than Stafford and Dallas is better than Detroit.

    Like they used to tell me years ago when I whined over what I thought was a bad call......"Get over it"! One call does not make a game. >>



    You probably shouldn't ever officiate any football game at any level for any reason.
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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As someone who couldn't care less about either team, all I personally wanted to see was a playoff victory based on merit, not zebra incompetence. Yes, calls are blown to smithereens in almost every game. But the fact of the matter is that the consequence for each unfortunate incident is weighted differently. If a botched no-call late in an NFL playoff game strips a team of a golden opportunity to put the opposition on life support, then intensified scrutiny is just as far as I'm concerned. Especially for an infraction that is properly dealt with >95% of the time.

    And I'll tell you what fires me up even more. When people retort with, "Even if PI had been called, nothing was guaranteed on that drive and the Lions had multiple opportunities beyond that." Please tell us all something we don't already know. Detroit could have vomited the ball on the very next play and this minor contretemps would cease to exist. Conversely, Megatron might have taken one to the house and subsequently inched Dallas' task ahead toward insurmountable. I think every soul participating in this thread fully grasps the myriad outcomes from that point forward. The gargantuan problem is, we'll never know which one because the final eight and a half minutes of play were altered by the officiating crew. And if you're a purist, such as myself, that leaves a vile taste in your mouth.

    My hope now is that Dallas comes out lethargic against the Pack, similar to their first-half effort against the Lions. If they do, there will be a vastly different outcome.



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  • FavreFan1971FavreFan1971 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭
    Dimeman is the biggest homer on this site. His glasses are silver and his hair is blue.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    As a lifelong dyed in the wool Cowboy's fan, I was obviously thrilled with the no call. Did I think it was interference? Certainly could have been although I have seen worse over the years not called. I was surprised at the delay in picking up the flag more so than the fact it was picked up.

    The fact that it happened when it happened is probably more to the disdain of all the so called "I don't have a horse in this race" fans. Whether you have another team that you root for or not, for many years Dallas has had, in addition to its legions of fans, the biggest legion of haters around. People just got sick of their dominance in the 70's and then again in the 90's and the term America's Team always being thrown around. So my suspicion is that if you are not a Cowboys' fan, then you ALSO are probably not being very objective.

    I've watched plenty of football in my life and understand the game very well. That reversal was a big play that helped Dallas. But that reversal didn't help Romo complete a 4th and 7. It didn't help his O line finally give him time on a 3rd and 7 for the winning score. it certainly did not help the Cowboys defense in causing 2 fumbles on Detroit's last drive.

    Had that penalty reversal happened in the last 2 minutes of the game, then I would agree with its monumental impact on the game. However, there were 8 minutes left. What happened to Detroit's vaunted defense the second half? And why couldn't a deserving team muster more than 3 points the second half against a very average defense? Those are the more apt questions to ask.

    To distance myself from other bias, I would have been very mad if the tables were turned.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My apoligies to the multiple rants/posts above, every time I posted a response it wouldnt show up, I think my computer was acting up.

    As far as my opinion goes I think I stated it enough image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad

    This might be the funniest comment you've posted this year, Domeman! image


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BTW, even if you think it wasn't PI (it was), Hitchens should have been flagged for defensive holding regardless.


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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So my suspicion is that if you are not a Cowboys' fan, then you ALSO are probably not being very objective. >>



    Are you serious? There are many people, myself included, that don't care one way or another when it comes to Dallas Cowboys football. Every team has its haters (Patriots, Steelers, Seahwaks have legions of haters), but that doesn't mean all non-fans are haters and are therefore non-objective. That's just silly talk. Also, if success breeds hate, then it's tough to make the argument that the Cowboy's legion of haters is the biggest. There are a number of teams that have had far greater success than Dallas since 1995.

    If Dallas goes on to win it all, I tip my cap to them. I cheer for my team, you cheer for yours. It's all good. The whole world--outside the Cowboy's fan camp--isn't against you.
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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>But in slo-mo it is clear that the ball hit the defender before he made contact.... >>


    You keep saying this but it's not true.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That reversal was a big play that helped Dallas. But that reversal didn't help Romo complete a 4th and 7. >>


    No, but the holding call that the NFL came out today and admitted they missed (in the words of some NFL officials, "worse than the PI call") sure did.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As I have stated before in the thread if the tables were turned I would not have been mad

    This might be the funniest comment you've posted this year, Domeman! image >>




    So true!
  • dmatcdmatc Posts: 69 ✭✭


    << <i>if you are not a Cowboys' fan, then you ALSO are probably not being very objective >>



    So only Cowboy fans can be objective when an extremely controversial call is made that
    greatly benefits their favorite team?

    That is some magical thinking and helps explain why there are so many Cowboy haters.
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  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    So only Cowboy fans can be objective when an extremely controversial call is made that
    greatly benefits their favorite team?


    dmatc: If you read my statement clearly, I used the word ALSO. implying that we, Cowboys fans, are largely non objective about this call as well.
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