The way ANACS certified a coin in 1985

piecesofme

Does it bring any additional value being "holdered" this way? Can't find a single one on eBay to use as reference, unless I'm not using right search key words. Thanks

savoyspecial

I like how it is registered generically to 'Coin Shop'


But to answer your question, on a common date Morgan, no it doesn't really bring any (or at least 'many') additional $$$

SeattleSlammer

A small premium to some, yes.
Looks undergraded...but that's a different matter.

BStrauss3

This article describes the ANACS photo slabs and some background: here

georgiacop50

I seem to think Captain Henway may know somethin' about these.

keyman64

There is a guy here that has almost a complete type set in these I believe...quite the undertaking. I know I "cracked one out of these holders" to send it in to PCGS once.

Bochiman

I'd check with Tom but that flip looks like it was done after the fact. The paperwork is fine, but the ones I have don't have the same style to the flip.
If Tom doesn't counter it, then I would stay with my opinion that someone put the coin, or a coin, into a flip, and attached it, and it wasn't ANACS (ie....the original flip it isn't).

Value? At that grade/coin/MM, very little added. To me, who usually pays a little premium for it, the flip would have me as a non-buyer; unless it was sealed and I was sure it was original to the cert/coin.

CaptHenway

That is not the type of flip we were using when I left there in 1984, but we did recommend that our flips (which were as they were for ease of taking the coin in and out at various steps in the process) not be used for long-term storage, so this may be a better flip. Looks like the good, non-PVC kind.

As to whether the coin is undergraded or not I cannot say. I wasn't there. I do know that the hobby was very strict on grading in the mid-1980's.

We graded a ton of common Morgans. I doubt that the certificate would be worth more than a few dollars premium, if any.

TD

PerryHall

I have a stack of those ANACS grading certificates over 2" high. I still have the coins which I subsequently had slabbed. The problem with these certificates is that some people would take a counterfeit coin and use a certificate for a real coin of the same date and series to sell the fake coin. I had a coin dealer try this on me with a counterfeit gold dollar. Fortunately the pics on the certificates are of sufficiently high resolution that you can compare the pics with the coin to make sure they went together.

piecesofme

Thanks for the help, we'll see what eBayers make it go for I guess. The coin is legit. I was surprised that the coin itself can be taken out, it's not stapled closed.

291fifth

Some collectors like them and may pay a premium. To me they have no premium value and none would be paid.

DeepCoin

I think I like the obverse / reverse grading idea...many coins have much different wear, particularly ones from the 19th century

astrorat

As someone who collects the certificates, I would say no. Namely because the certificate is discolored and the non-ANACS flip is stabled to the certificate.

The certificates (usually with coins) do not come up on eBay as much as they used to.

NotSure

<< <i>There is a guy here that has almost a complete type set in these I believe...quite the undertaking. I know I "cracked one out of these holders" to send it in to PCGS once. >>



That'd be relicsncoins. He's one of the 'go to' guys on this subject.

agentjim007

The original flips were PVC but the coins were in a non PVC sleeve. I saw coins in the original flip/sleeve at least 20 years old with no problems to the coin.

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CaptHenway

<< <i>I have a stack of those ANACS grading certificates over 2" high. I still have the coins which I subsequently had slabbed. The problem with these certificates is that some people would take a counterfeit coin and use a certificate for a real coin of the same date and series to sell the fake coin. I had a coin dealer try this on me with a counterfeit gold dollar. Fortunately the pics on the certificates are of sufficiently high resolution that you can compare the pics with the coin to make sure they went together. >>



Exactly. The photos were good enough that you could match the coin to the picture. That is one reason why I resisted the idea of encapsulating coins. which some people insisted was necessary to prevent switching or substitution. A numismatist knew how to look at coins.

segoja

At that time MS64 and MS66 were not a grade. The coin could be a 64...can't tell from the pics, but not a big premium.

I'm not sure the old ANACS cert is worth much if any premium.

As for "Coin Shop" I have a dealer friend in Dubuque IA. His shops official name is Coin Shop. (when I write him checks they are made out to "Coin Shop") He was in business in 1985, and this could have been his coin.

Anyhow, an interesting piece.

CaptHenway

<< <i>At that time MS64 and MS66 were not a grade. The coin could be a 64...can't tell from the pics, but not a big premium.

I'm not sure the old ANACS cert is worth much if any premium.

As for "Coin Shop" I have a dealer friend in Dubuque IA. His shops official name is Coin Shop. (when I write him checks they are made out to "Coin Shop") He was in business in 1985, and this could have been his coin.

Anyhow, an interesting piece. >>



When I was hired to start the grading service in late 1978, the only Mint State grades available, according to the ANA grading book, were MS-60, 65 and 70. This was not enough, so I decided to add 63 and 67 before we began grading coins on March 1, 1979.

I'm not sure when 64 and 66 got added. Perhaps one of the collectors of the certificates could look through them and see what the earliest one they have is with at least one 64 on it.

TD

Type2

CaptHenway

By the way, while I was there we did grade one incredible Barber Dime as an MS-69/69. Only time we ever used that number. Wonder where it is today?

PerryHall

The ANACS photo archives was the basis for the ANA grading book. I found one of my coins in the book---1906 $2 1/2 in MS. If you have this book you can see a pic of my coin. I called ANACS and they were kind enough to send me a letter with their letterhead confirming that it was indeed my coin.

segoja

I think 64 was added before 66. I believe that was early 1987.

Love to see some certs that could back this up.

DollarAfterDollar

I have a 1938 D/S Buffalo Nickel Cert dated 6/27/83 Graded MS 65/63. There was no clear reason why the coin was MS 63 on the reverse.

Registered to C&M Coins.

CaptHenway

<< <i>I have a 1938 D/S Buffalo Nickel Cert dated 6/27/83 Graded MS 65/63. There was no clear reason why the coin was MS 63 on the reverse.

Registered to C&M Coins. >>



Was that the one with the rim nick at 7:45 on the reverse rim?



























Just kidding!