HOF-With 27.7% of the Precincts Reporting

markj111

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Looks like Piazza will fall just short. The voters who did not reveal their votes last year tended to vote for fewer people. I suspect he will drop below 75%. The other four look safe. Maybe Raines will make it next year. Why he has had to wait is a mystery to me.




Updated: Jan 5: 4:35 ~ 158 Full Ballots ~ (27.7% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!


98.7 - R. Johnson
97.5 - P. Martinez
87.3 - Smoltz
82.9 - Biggio
76.6 - Piazza



Updated 10:25 ~ 47 Full Ballots ~ (8.2% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!


100. - P. Martinez
97.9 - R. Johnson
89.4 - Smoltz
83.0 - Biggio
80.9 - Piazza
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72.3 - Bagwell
68.1 - Raines
55.3 - Schilling
40.4 - Mussina
40.4 - Bonds
38.3 - Clemens
25.5 - E. Martinez
23.4 - Trammell
19.1 - McGriff
14.9 - Lee Smith
12.8 - Kent
10.6 - McGwire
10.6 - Sheffield
8.5 - L. Walker
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4.3 - Sosa
2.1 - Garciaparra
2.1 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

MGLICKER

Looks like Sammy is not going to make it.

Cubby

I love beis bol

grote15

<< <i>I love beis bol >>



It's been berry berry good to me...

grote15

Would like to see the top 5 make it, along with Raines, but figuring it'll get whittled down a bit..

MGLICKER

Like to see crime dog get in.....but not going to happen.

jay0791

Poor Larry Walker...he was my fav player after Nolan Ryan retired.

IMO he's hof material...many don't think so...but 8.5% ??

Maybe Biggio this year. Pedro and the unit are no brainers.

Hoping to see Bags make it. Piazza will make it this year or next.

Like Smotlz also

gosteelers

Crazy to see Fred McGriff that low!

markj111

Updated 10:30 ~ 62 Full Ballots ~ (10.9% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!


98.4 - P. Martinez
98.4 - R. Johnson
88.7 - Smoltz
83.9 - Biggio
79.0 - Piazza
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74.2 - Bagwell
64.5 - Raines
56.5 - Schilling
43.5 - Mussina
40.3 - Bonds
38.7 - Clemens
27.4 - E. Martinez
25.8 - Trammell
17.7 - McGriff
17.7 - Lee Smith
14.5 - Kent
9.7 - Sheffield
9.7 - McGwire
8.0 - L. Walker
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3.2 - Sosa
1.6 - Garciaparra
1.6 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

coinkat

Please advise once all the Precincts from Cook County are in...

grote15

13.8% reporting..

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated 9:00 ~ 79 Full Ballots ~ (13.8% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!

98.7 - P. Martinez
98.7 - R. Johnson
87.3 - Smoltz
82.3 - Biggio
79.7 - Piazza
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73.4 - Bagwell
64.6 - Raines
58.2 - Schilling
44.3 - Bonds
43.0 - Clemens
43.0 - Mussina
29.1 - E. Martinez
22.8 - Trammell
17.7 - McGriff
15.2 - Lee Smith
13.9 - Kent
7.6 - L. Walker
6.3 - Sheffield
6.3 - McGwire
5.1 - Sosa
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1.3 - Garciaparra
1.3 - Mattingly
1.3 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

BLUEJAYWAY

Notice Shilling is creeping up ever so gradually. He could get close. Other than his on field stats, I think he has a bit of sympathy voting going for him. This due to his financial issues and his health scare. And his being involved with announcing on ESPN doesn't hurt either. I think he will be close this year. Possibly he gets in next year if he comes close this year.

PowderedH2O

I've always felt Schilling was Hall worthy. He certainly doesn't have the massive win totals, but everything else is there. And that "big game" pitcher? Well, it would be difficult to find someone with a better postseason record than Schill. If I compare him to Tom Seaver or Grover Cleveland Alexander, he's not in. If I compare him to Dizzy Dean and guys like that, he's a slam dunk.

Tabe

<< <i>Cre Fred McGriff that low! >>


What's so crazy about it? He doesn't belong.

grote15

Biggio holding on, will be close. I expect Piazza to fall just short.


The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated 6:20 ~ 90 Full Ballots ~ (15.8% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!

98.9 - P. Martinez
98.9 - R. Johnson
87.8 - Smoltz
82.2 - Biggio
78.9 - Piazza
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73.3 - Bagwell
64.4 - Raines
57.8 - Schilling
45.6 - Bonds
44.4 - Clemens
41.1 - Mussina
28.9 - E. Martinez
22.2 - Trammell
17.8 - Lee Smith
16.7 - McGriff
13.3 - Kent
6.7 - L. Walker
6.7 - McGwire
5.6 - Sheffield
5.6 - Sosa
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1.1 - Garciaparra
1.1 - Mattingly
1.1 - Delgado
1.1 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

grote15

Just read that ballot that was initially counted as a no vote for Big Unit has been reversed to put Randy at 100% after all, LOL..

Tabe

<< <i>Just read that ballot that was initially counted as a no vote for Big Unit has been reversed to put Randy at 100% after all, LOL.. >>


As it should be. Randy Johnson, even with intentionally tanking half a season in Seattle, is an absolute no-brainer.

grote15

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<< <i>Just read that ballot that was initially counted as a no vote for Big Unit has been reversed to put Randy at 100% after all, LOL.. >>


As it should be. Randy Johnson, even with intentionally tanking half a season in Seattle, is an absolute no-brainer. >>



Agreed. Pedro is also, for that matter.

Estil

Considering Curt Schilling is practically the (well a strong case could be made for it anyway) Mr. October of pitchers (not just the classic bloody sock thing in 2004 but being co-WS MVP for the '01 Diamondbacks and being on the underdog '93 Phillies as well) and he's got 3116 K's (as I've mentioned before 3000 K's should be an automatic bid just like 3000 hits for a batter is) as well. I suppose his ERA (3.46) and wins (216) aren't particularly special but still, I'd think his postseason magic and 3000+ K's should've gotten him in on the first or second ballot, am I wrong?

Geez, this is almost like watching the Presidential election returns...

BLUEJAYWAY

<< <i>Considering Curt Schilling is practically the (well a strong case could be made for it anyway) Mr. October of pitchers (not just the classic bloody sock thing in 2004 but being co-WS MVP for the '01 Diamondbacks and being on the underdog '93 Phillies as well) and he's got 3116 K's (as I've mentioned before 3000 K's should be an automatic bid just like 3000 hits for a batter is) as well. I suppose his ERA (3.46) and wins (216) aren't particularly special but still, I'd think his postseason magic and 3000+ K's should've gotten him in on the first or second ballot, am I wrong?

Geez, this is almost like watching the Presidential election returns... >>

On balance he deserves induction. The times I've heard him comment on fellow players attitudes and their respect,or lack thereof, for the game,he has shot from the hip and did not sugar coat his opinions. Refreshing.

Estil

Pedro, Randy, and Smoltz are first timers right? Looks like they should have no trouble sporting those cute HOF jerseys come January 6 when the HOF-Elects are announced. Biggio should have been a first balloter but I guess better late than never, and Piazza, the 90s second best catcher (the best 90s catcher isn't up until 2017) should likely make it this year while the best 90s first baseman (surprisingly) looks to again be on the bubble.

I still can't get over the lack of respect Curt Schilling is getting...

Tabe

<< <i> while the best 90s first baseman (surprisingly) looks to again be on the bubble. >>


Pssst... Frank Thomas is already in, not on the bubble.

I'd argue that Palmeiro was better than Bagwell, too, though it's probably a toss-up.

Estil

I was speaking of Jeff Bagwell. Thomas was more the DH type.

grote15

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated 11:55 ~ 104 Full Ballots ~ (18.2% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!

99.0 - R. Johnson
98.1 - P. Martinez
89.4 - Smoltz
83.7 - Biggio
78.8 - Piazza
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73.1 - Bagwell
63.5 - Raines
59.6 - Schilling
44.2 - Bonds
43.3 - Clemens
43.3 - Mussina
27.9 - E. Martinez
22.1 - Trammell
16.3 - McGriff
15.4 - Lee Smith
14.4 - Kent
9.8 - L. Walker
5.8 - McGwire
5.8 - Sheffield
5.8 - Sosa
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1.9 - Mattingly
1.0 - Garciaparra
1.0 - Delgado
1.0 - Pete Rose (McWrite-In)

grote15

Biggio and Piazza gaining some support. May we have 5 inductees this year??

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated: Jan 2: 7:20 ~ 111 Full Ballots ~ (19.4% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!

99.1 - R. Johnson
98.2 - P. Martinez
89.2 - Smoltz
83.8 - Biggio
79.3 - Piazza
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69.4 - Bagwell
63.0 - Raines
58.6 - Schilling
44.1 - Mussina
44.1 - Bonds
43.2 - Clemens
27.9 - E. Martinez
23.4 - Trammell
16.2 - McGriff
16.2 - Lee Smith
13.5 - Kent
9.0 - L. Walker
8.1 - Sheffield
6.3 - McGwire
5.4 - Sosa
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2.7 - Mattingly
1.8 - Pete Rose (Write-In)
0.9 - Garciaparra
0.9 - Delgado

StanTheManMusial

When I think greatness and HOF'er, I think Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. I don't think Smoltz, or "The Killer Suspected PED's" out of Houston. I guess the HOF will just continue to be watered down as time goes on.

grote15

<< <i>When I think greatness and HOF'er, I think Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. I don't think Smoltz, or "The Killer Suspected PED's" out of Houston. I guess the HOF will just continue to be watered down as time goes on. >>



Pedro and Unit are locks for sure. Piazza is an interesting case~a player who is arguably the greatest hitting catcher of all time and who played his entire career as a catcher, too. There is some suspicion of him using PEDs but nothing ever linked him directly, so do we not vote for guys simply based on suspicion and speculation?

StanTheManMusial

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<< <i>When I think greatness and HOF'er, I think Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. I don't think Smoltz, or "The Killer Suspected PED's" out of Houston. I guess the HOF will just continue to be watered down as time goes on. >>



Pedro and Unit are locks for sure. Piazza is an interesting case~a player who is aruably the greatest hitting catcher of all time and who played his entire career as a catcher, too. There is some suspicion of him using PEDs but nothing ever linked him directly, so do we not vote for guys simply based on suspicion and speculation? >>



I am an old guy, so I remember skinny Bagwell ballooning with muscles overnight just like Bonds and McGwire did. Even though McGwire was on my team, I said the same thing about him back then and was criticized for it.

grote15

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<< <i>When I think greatness and HOF'er, I think Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. I don't think Smoltz, or "The Killer Suspected PED's" out of Houston. I guess the HOF will just continue to be watered down as time goes on. >>



Pedro and Unit are locks for sure. Piazza is an interesting case~a player who is aruably the greatest hitting catcher of all time and who played his entire career as a catcher, too. There is some suspicion of him using PEDs but nothing ever linked him directly, so do we not vote for guys simply based on suspicion and speculation? >>



I am an old guy, so I remember skinny Bagwell ballooning with muscles overnight just like Bonds and McGwire did. Even though McGwire was on my team, I said the same thing about him back then and was criticized for it. >>



At this rate, McGwire (or Sosa) may not even make the 5% cutoff to remain on the ballot next year. Wouldn't that be ironic? The HR chase seems like decades ago..

StanTheManMusial

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<< <i>When I think greatness and HOF'er, I think Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez. I don't think Smoltz, or "The Killer Suspected PED's" out of Houston. I guess the HOF will just continue to be watered down as time goes on. >>



Pedro and Unit are locks for sure. Piazza is an interesting case~a player who is aruably the greatest hitting catcher of all time and who played his entire career as a catcher, too. There is some suspicion of him using PEDs but nothing ever linked him directly, so do we not vote for guys simply based on suspicion and speculation? >>



I am an old guy, so I remember skinny Bagwell ballooning with muscles overnight just like Bonds and McGwire did. Even though McGwire was on my team, I said the same thing about him back then and was criticized for it. >>



At this rate, McGwire (or Sosa) may not even make the 5% cutoff to remain on the ballot next year. Wouldn't that be ironic? The HR chase seems like decades ago.. >>



It sure does seem like decades ago. Yeah, I often wonder if they feel it was worth it in the end? To me, a HOF induction would be far more important over being the fad of the moment, only to be the goat in the end.

grote15

Over 1/4 vote in...final numbers are typically lower than what you see at this point, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say Piazza is going to come up short again, though Biggio may very well hold on to be the 4th member of the 2015 class..

The 2015 HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo!

Updated: Jan 4: 10:35 ~ 146 Full Ballots ~ (25.6% of vote ~ based on last year) ~ As usual…BBWAA ballot digging is welcome!

99.3 - R. Johnson
97.9 - P. Martinez
87.7 - Smoltz
82.2 - Biggio
77.4 - Piazza
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66.4 - Bagwell
66.4 - Raines
54.1 - Schilling
43.2 - Bonds
43.2 - Clemens
37.7 - Mussina
29.5 - E. Martinez
23.3 - Trammell
19.2 - Lee Smith
15.8 - McGriff
14.4 - Kent
8.2 - L. Walker
8.2 - Sheffield
6.8 - McGwire
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4.8 - Sosa
4.8 - Mattingly
1.4 - Pete Rose (Write-In)
0.7 - Garciaparra
0.7 - Delgado

gregmo32

Here are my predictions for the top seven candidates, with accompanying percentages.

Johnson 98.5%
Martinez 96.5%
Smoltz 85.8%
Biggio 78.9%

Piazza 71.4%
Bagwell 63.7%
Raines 61.8%

gregmo32

If they changed the entire process, and players were only going to be on the ballot once (which would also be a bad system, by the way), and I had a vote, these would be my HOF picks this year.

Johnson *
Martinez
Smoltz
Biggio *
Mussina
Piazza *
Bagwell *
Raines
Schilling
Bonds *
Clemens *
Trammell
McGriff

*Indicates a player I personally believe is likely to have used PED during their career
** It would not shock me in any way there were, in reality, an * next to every single player on the above list (with the likely exception of Trammell, and possibly McGriff)
*** I also firmly believe there are many players, modern and otherwise, already in the HOF that were PED users, which is part of my rationale
**** I would also vote for Palmeiro, but he is not included on the ballot and is ineligible since he did not receive 5% of the vote last year


I would have to leave McGwire and Sosa out, based on the somewhat flawed logic that their candidacy is based almost solely on their power numbers, which very clearly were aided to a larger extent than any of the others, by PED use over an extended period of their careers.

Largentcollector

Hi Greg,

Why would you think RJ used but not Pedro?

Personally I think there is a lot we don't know (many players we don't expect mabe did). I agree with your statement in regards to ped's in the hall, I think of two.

Tim

gregmo32

Largent,

As I said at the bottom, it would not surprise me at all if almost every single person on the list used some PED at some point during their career. Maybe Trammel and McGriff would surprise me, but no one else.

I wonder if we have the same two modern HOFers in mind as far as who did use PEDs.

I also find it curious that so many of the legendary players were known to have been amphetamine users back in the day, but they get very little flack for it.

lightningboy

Here's your class:

R. Johnson 97%
P. Martinez 91%
Smoltz 83%
Biggio 83%


Piazza finished next with just under 70%

Largentcollector

<< <i>Largent,

As I said at the bottom, it would not surprise me at all if almost every single person on the list used some PED at some point during their career. Maybe Trammel and McGriff would surprise me, but no one else.

I wonder if we have the same two modern HOFers in mind as far as who did use PEDs.

I also find it curious that so many of the legendary players were known to have been amphetamine users back in the day, but they get very little flack for it. >>



Agreed, I can tell you it would kill me to find out Griffey used!