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70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
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Anybody see why this must be a facimile (i.e. manufacturered later) and not original?

1970_Series_2_3_Rack


BTW, the same seller has a 1968 rack with ROse and maris showing on top. Probably a few yellow flags on that one too.


Dave

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should have the hole punch rather than the cross punch?
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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seams aren't wide enough?

    ETA: and mixed series?
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of images from REA and Legendary auctions...


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Should have the hole punch rather than the cross punch? >>



    Correct. Topps did not introduce the cross-hatch punch hole till 4th series in 1971. 1970 racks should bear a circular punch hole. Seams between sections on this rack are also too narrow. Topps used wider seams that resemble tire tracks through 1972 to support the larger 54-card count in the rack.


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These are hallmarks to look for on an authentic 1970 rack. Note the wider seams between sections and the large circular punch hole on the header card.

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tim, when was the one-sided yellow header card used? The one where the reverse is blank?
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  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭
    What do you think about the cellos? I'm actually bidding on those.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tim, when was the one-sided yellow header card used? The one where the reverse is blank? >>



    David, I have seen those used only for 1971 racks.


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you think about the cellos? I'm actually bidding on those. >>



    The 74s are from the era when GAI mistakenly holdered grocery cellos, 12-card cello packs which were never produced by Topps. The only authentic cello pack produced by Topps in 1974 is a 22-card cello pack with Topps logo and 25c price on front and product code on back ending in either -2 (from leftover 73 cello wrappers used early in 74) or -4.

    The 73 Ryan/Yaz cello does not look right to me.


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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you think about the cellos? I'm actually bidding on those. >>



    The ' 70 Carew on top and bottom cello seems mighty unlikely, but I don't have the experience to know for sure whether that's possible.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited to remove wrong information.
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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭✭
    Why would anyone create a rack with those players on top/bottom?

    Robb
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What do you think about the cellos? I'm actually bidding on those. >>



    IMO where there is smoke.....

    Just look at the descriptions he provided. It looks like a "chop shop" for unopened to me.


    Dave
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    Both of these are not authentic, regardless of the fact that GAI put them in slabs.





    << <i>A couple of images from REA and Legendary auctions...


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    Dave
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why would anyone create a rack with those players on top/bottom?

    Robb >>



    If people take the time to fabricate 81 rack packs, they will fabricate anything. A common 1970 rack is worth a nice markup over a 1976 rack and putting common players on top makes it seem more legit. Certainly worth the effort at least.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • jmoran19jmoran19 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭
    On the carew cello, compare the corner fold and wrapper back to one of the cellos Fritsch has for sale. Looks like a 3rd grader resealed this pack.

    Plus the Carew card was inserted, look at the grain/corner on left of the top card compared to the next few. The Carew card is a different size LOL


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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Corner folds on both 70 and 73 cello are very poorly put together, no question.


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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Tim, I knew you know your stuff, but your posts in this thread have really impressed me.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Tim, I knew you know your stuff, but your posts in this thread have really impressed me. >>


    Come on Dan ... he has a big enough ego as it is when it comes to unopened!!!!!! image
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    Doug

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the kind words, Dan. Doug, don't worry, I'm still a blue collar guy from LI, LOL..


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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Hey, just because I said you really know a lot about unopened doesn't mean I understand why you guys like it and pay the prices you do for unopened material, LOL!
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't realize they made Topps Super's in 1968. Those round corners on the '68 cello sure make them look like Supers. image
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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭✭
    If people take the time to fabricate 81 rack packs, they will fabricate anything. A common 1970 rack is worth a nice markup over a 1976 rack and putting common players on top makes it seem more legit. Certainly worth the effort at least.

    So the idea is that they purchase a 76 rack (or similar year), remove the contents then replace with an early 70s era header and appropriate assortment of commons for the year they are fabricating? I had always wondered where the resealers were getting their empty racks from.

    In the end when there is money involved some people are willing to do anything. Thanks for pointing out the issue with the rack and keeping us all better informed.

    Robb
  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    So Tim, that was the 70 rack you were bringing to rip at dinner n Sunday right?
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  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭
    Despite the warning signs he still got a pretty nice hammer price on those auctions.

    Unopened
  • FINESTKINDFINESTKIND Posts: 374 ✭✭✭
    Wow, you guys are good. image I learn something new every day here. Thanks
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