Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ
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Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck.
Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck. >>
That and his utter dominance in the post season as a starter. 15-4
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When was the last time four guys were inducted at once? Unless some voters that voted for Biggio decide not to this year, four is possible.
Smoltz is the one who may just miss the cut this year. The other three are locks.
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Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez for sure. Both were amazing pitchers more than worthy of the honor. When I think HOF, I don't think Biggio or Smoltz. I feel they were really good, but not Hall Of Famers.
<< <i>I like Pedro for sure. Maybe Smoltz and Johnson >>
We are all entitled to our opinions, but it's hard to take seriously anyone who says "maybe Johnson." He won five Cy Youngs, and won more than 300 games. He is the all time leader in Ks/9 innings, and 2nd all time in Ks. What did he need to do to get off the bubble. Eight of his ten best comps are in the HOF. The two who are not are Clemens (steroid issue) and Mussina (who may well get in).
My ballot:
Bagwell Biggio Johnson Martinez Mussina Raines Smoltz Trammell
Pedro and Johnson are stone cold mortal locks. Smoltz has a very good chance, too. Biggio has a shot. No one else does this year, imo.
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Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck. >>
That and his utter dominance in the post season as a starter. 15-4
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Eck couldn't hold Smoltz's jock as a starter. Only reason he was in the pen in the first place is he'd failed as a starter. His reign as a top closer was shorter than most think, too, but that's for another day.
<< <i>Eck couldn't hold Smoltz's jock as a starter. Only reason he was in the pen in the first place is he'd failed as a starter. His reign as a top closer was shorter than most think, too, but that's for another day. >>
I'm not taking sides, but I must disagree with you assertion that he failed as a starter. He won over 100 games as a starter, had a 20 win season, and was twice in the top ten in the CY voting.
<< <i>Eck couldn't hold Smoltz's jock as a starter. Only reason he was in the pen in the first place is he'd failed as a starter. His reign as a top closer was shorter than most think, too, but that's for another day. >>
I'm not taking sides, but I must disagree with you assertion that he failed as a starter. He won over 100 games as a starter, had a 20 win season, and was twice in the top ten in the CY voting. >>
You're right. I worded that poorly. He had stopped being successful as a starter. He wasn't a total failure by any means but he was pretty bad in 1983, 1984 and 1986, which led to him not even getting a shot at the rotation in Oakland. He was still nowhere near Smoltz's class as a starter.
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Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ
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Biggio just missed by 2 votes last year.
Smoltz will get in, but not this year - too many pitchers.
Maybe Smoltz and Johnson
<< <i>Pedro
Randy Johnson
Smoltz
Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck.
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<< <i>Pedro
Randy Johnson
Smoltz
Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck. >>
That and his utter dominance in the post season as a starter. 15-4
MJ
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Smoltz is the one who may just miss the cut this year. The other three are locks.
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<< <i>I like Pedro for sure.
Maybe Smoltz and Johnson >>
We are all entitled to our opinions, but it's hard to take seriously anyone who says "maybe Johnson." He won five Cy Youngs, and won more than 300 games. He is the all time leader in Ks/9 innings, and 2nd all time in Ks. What did he need to do to get off the bubble. Eight of his ten best comps are in the HOF. The two who are not are Clemens (steroid issue) and Mussina (who may well get in).
My ballot:
Bagwell
Biggio
Johnson
Martinez
Mussina
Raines
Smoltz
Trammell
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Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
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Just looking at the ballot, I would vote for:
Johnson
Martinez
Smoltz
Biggio
Piazza
Bagwell
Raines
Sheffield
Mussina
Kent
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Randy Johnson
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Biggio will probably get in this year but I don't think HOF when I hear his name. I just don't
MJ >>
I don't think HOF with Smoltz, which is why I had to look back and recall how he was pretty dominant for a few years as a reliever. Who else has done that...awesome starting pitching and great relief pitching? Other than Eck. >>
That and his utter dominance in the post season as a starter. 15-4
MJ >>
<< <i>Sorry you did mention Eck! >>
we Sox fans don't forget about Eckersley! He's destined for the Boston Baseball Broadcasters Hall of Fame too (if there was such a thing). He's fun to listen to as color commentator.
<< <i>Eck couldn't hold Smoltz's jock as a starter. Only reason he was in the pen in the first place is he'd failed as a starter. His reign as a top closer was shorter than most think, too, but that's for another day. >>
I'm not taking sides, but I must disagree with you assertion that he failed as a starter. He won over 100 games as a starter, had a 20 win season, and was twice in the top ten in the CY voting.
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<< <i>Eck couldn't hold Smoltz's jock as a starter. Only reason he was in the pen in the first place is he'd failed as a starter. His reign as a top closer was shorter than most think, too, but that's for another day. >>
I'm not taking sides, but I must disagree with you assertion that he failed as a starter. He won over 100 games as a starter, had a 20 win season, and was twice in the top ten in the CY voting. >>
You're right. I worded that poorly. He had stopped being successful as a starter. He wasn't a total failure by any means but he was pretty bad in 1983, 1984 and 1986, which led to him not even getting a shot at the rotation in Oakland. He was still nowhere near Smoltz's class as a starter.