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How much can a coin's grade get bumped for eye appeal??
bosco5041
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I was at a coin show a while back and seen a 1805 draped bust dime graded VF 35 by PCGS. It only had the detail of a VF 20 on the obverse and it did have VF 35 on the reverse but it had great eye appeal. The surfaces were very nice and it had nice color and some rim toning that made it look very attractive. The price of the coin was in the VF 35 range also. I was just wondering how much eye appeal can bump a coin's grade??
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<< <i>I was at a coin show a while back and seen a 1805 draped bust dime graded VF 35 [...] it had great eye appeal. The surfaces were very nice and it had nice color and some rim toning that made it look very attractive. The price of the coin was in the VF 35 range also. I was just wondering how much eye appeal can bump a coin's grade?? >>
Market grading, as discussed / defined by the ANA, addresses this and basically says that coins can be graded to their market value.
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<< <i>I'd think it's possible that what you perceived as VF20 detail was more a result of weak strike than of wear, which could make the VF35 grade accurate. It is my understanding that striking methods were less consistent in the days of bust coinage and variation of strike quality on obverse/reverse was not uncommon. >>
This very well could have been the case because like I said the reverse was VF 35 so logic would have it that the obverse would not wear faster than the reverse.
simple opinion by whomever is viewing such coin...others grade opinions aside
eye appeal can and should surpass a coins technical grade
why do "luster kings" surpass "strike kings" in grading
there's patina's and then there's colorful moose's
all things are what they are
there is a supply and then there is a desirable demand to the "supply and demand" perspective
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<< <i>I was at a coin show a while back and seen a 1805 draped bust dime graded VF 35 [...] it had great eye appeal. The surfaces were very nice and it had nice color and some rim toning that made it look very attractive. The price of the coin was in the VF 35 range also. I was just wondering how much eye appeal can bump a coin's grade?? >>
Market grading, as discussed / defined by the ANA, addresses this and basically says that coins can be graded to their market value. >>
So an A box Morgan toner would be ms375?
<< <i>How much can a coin's grade get bumped for eye appeal?? >>
My experience has been up to 2 points in MS grades. Circulated coins are a different animal.
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<< <i>How much can a coin's grade get bumped for eye appeal?? >>
My experience has been up to 2 points in MS grades. Circulated coins are a different animal.
So are you saying that circulated coins won't get a bump for eye appeal? That's kind of what I wanted to Know.
<< <i>I was at a coin show a while back and seen a 1805 draped bust dime graded VF 35 by PCGS. It only had the detail of a VF 20 on the obverse and it did have VF 35 on the reverse but it had great eye appeal. The surfaces were very nice and it had nice color and some rim toning that made it look very attractive. The price of the coin was in the VF 35 range also. I was just wondering how much eye appeal can bump a coin's grade?? >>
So the coin should have been net graded VF 25-30 considering the state of preservation of both sides. Coins can be net graded when wear is unequal on each side. So it received a grade of VF35 which is a one point bump above your estimate and based on net grading. No huge crime here.
The other thing to consider is, are you sure this was not an issue with this particular variety? I'm a half dollars guy and don't know bust dimes but if they're anything like halves, then certain varieties are well known for weak obverse strikes. That shouldn't affect the overall technical grade, but, as most people don't collect by variety, it might affect the overall value.
your 'opinion' vs. their 'opinion'
your 'experience' vs. their 'experience'
your knowledge' vs. their 'knowledge'
etc.
So many factors can determine if what you're saying is true or not, especially just taking your word on a coin with notoriously uneven striking.
That said, eye-appeal does affect grades by the TPG's...toned coins are notoriously overgraded relative to their un-toned counterparts.
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<< <i>How much can a coin's grade get bumped for eye appeal?? >>
My experience has been up to 2 points in MS grades. Circulated coins are a different animal.
So are you saying that circulated coins won't get a bump for eye appeal? That's kind of what I wanted to Know. >>
No, circulated coins often get bumped for eye appeal. A 25 to a 30 or a 40 to a 45 happen all the time. By different animal I meant $$ wise. It's much more noticeable $$ in MS grades.