A Greek tetradrachm featuring Persephone on the obverse and Nike on the reverse, wearing considerably less clothing than our modern society deems tasteful: (minted in 317 BC)
love that roman? piece sweet 17 too my hearts still thumping over that 11'...wow fade i hope you hit a couple you sucks and fill those holes way quicker then you'd thought too quite a set to work on...
everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see
One of my favorite medals; the silver 1901 Pan-American Expo Award Medal Designed by Hermon A. MacNeil, who also designed the Standing Liberty Quarter for the Mint. I wish I owned one.
I never thought that growing old would happen so fast. - Jim
Beck’s Public Baths Token, Virginia. Richmond, HT-441 / Low-275.
One of the most famous 19th century tokens listed in The 100 Greatest American Medals and Tokens by Q. David Bowers and Katherine Jaeger as their number 86.
While today we may think that, per the saying “cleanliness is next to godliness” it was not always so. In the period from about 1832 to 1844 when Charles Beck distributed his Beck’s Public Baths tokens in Richmond Virginia as bathing was an occasional experience at best. Houses did not have indoor plumbing and for most people in the city the closest thing to a bath was wiping with a soapy wet cloth. Across the country some academies and boarding schools made it an offense to bathe in the colder months as the practice being deemed unhealthy. For those who desired to bathe public baths were operated in most of the larger cities. Records show that in 1832 Charles Beck was a confectioner and the operator of a bathing facility. The baths were in operation until at least 1844. These tokens about the size of a quarter dollar may have circulated locally as currency or more likely they were used as admission checks.
In 1859 New York City numismatist Charles I. Bushnell published An Arrangement of Tradesmen’s Cards, Political Tokens. Soon the Beck’s token became a favorite with it’s somewhat risqué depiction of a nude woman. Naturally the popularity for this token was immediate and widespread due to the finely engraved naked woman on the obverse. Collectors with an eye for beauty eagerly latched onto these Beck’s Public Baths tokens at an early time. Demand has always exceeded supply since they were first noticed in Bushnell’s early reference.
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
America was at war: World War I was raging in Europe, and at home industrial technology continued to advance at breakneck pace. A style of artistic construction called Art Nouveau, characterized by elegant, flowing lines, and new freedoms of expression, reached its peak of popularity in America, as the musty old conservative ethic of the long Victorian Era finally breathed its last gasps. Surely placing a topless Miss Liberty on our coinage would be okay; we're an enlightened nation, right?
The Standing Liberty Quarter Design:
Of course, Mint officials didn't plot to put bare-breasted ladies on our quarters! A competition was held, and several top sculptors were invited to submit designs to be considered for use on the coinage. The design selected for the quarter dollar was Hermon A. McNeil's, which depicts Miss Liberty standing between two large pedestals, holding an olive branch in her right hand, and a shield in her left. She wears a flowing garment that slips off her right shoulder to expose her breast.
Liberty's Bared Breast - Wartime Propaganda?:
There has been much speculation into why McNeil's design was selected and what the symbolism meant. The olive branch Liberty holds is a universal sign of peacemaking. The shield is clearly a symbol of warfare and defense. And Liberty's exposed breast? Was this wartime propaganda meant to imply, "come get your succor from the breast of the world's mother?" Or was it meant to say, "I come in peace, opening myself to you in earnestness?" History does not record the answer.
Leisurely Designed and Then Rushed Out the Door:
The dies for the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter were ready for production by July of 1916. But production didn't begin until the last half of December that same year. Why the delay?
Could it be that some persons who had seen the coin design had objected, and the delay was the result of discussions and re-thinking things? Perhaps the mint was just really busy producing other coins? Two other new designs were issued that year as well. Again, history doesn't tell; we can only speculate.
The 1916 Standing Liberty Quarters Leave the Mint:
The 1916 production run of Standing Liberty Quarters consisted of 52,000 pieces, all of which were produced at the Philadelphia facility, and all of which left the mint by December 29, 1916. This small mintage made its way through the Treasury distribution system in early January of 1917, and awaited release into circulation. In the meantime, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Denver began striking the 1917 Standing Liberty Quarters, and sent them out for distribution as well.
A Bare-Breasted Liberty Finally Meets Her Outraged Public:
On January 17 of 1917, the bare-breasted Standing Liberty Quarter finally entered circulation, and the outcry was immediate and loud. Religious leaders used words like "obscene" and "filthy" to describe the visage of our beautiful Miss Liberty with her breast exposed. Citizens' groups rallied their memberships to lobby Congress to have the disgusting coin recalled.
Congress had little choice but to submit to the clamor. The bare-breasted Liberty Quarters began disappearing from circulation.
Liberty Taken to the Opposite Extreme:
McNeil was obliged to modify his design. Miss Liberty would need to be properly covered, according to the citizens of our enlightened nation. It is easy to imagine that McNeil might have been a little resentful about the modification chore he had to undertake. Rather than simply rearrange the drapery on Liberty's shoulder to cover the offending breast, he crafted a suit of armor instead, and chastely clothed Miss Liberty nearly to the neck in chain mail!
The Three Types of Standing Liberty Quarters:
The Standing Liberty Quarter needed a third design change starting in 1925 because the date was wearing off too quickly. The design was re-cut so that the date was recessed, rather than raised. A summary of the Standing Liberty Quarter types:
•Type I - Liberty's breast exposed (1916-1917) •Type II - Liberty clothed, 3 stars below eagle on reverse (1917-1924) •Type III - Same as II, but date is recessed (1925-1930) One major error variety is recognized - the 1918 8-over-7 repunched date.
i stand firm there are 3...1917 standing liberty quarters that were released....2 different design examples of type 1....then the final is called type 2 with chain mail side by side...the design products don't lie
everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see
<< <i>I believe that I have the Rev A version (from page 1)...is one rarer (Rev 1 or 2) than the other? >>
yours is the rev a
i could only speculate as to "rarer"
i know the rev a is preferred being they had fuller breast and nipples are common on them
the transitional rev b the breast was reduced and nipples are uncommon
chances are with the stir going on with public backlash with the mint already having rev a's minted...good to go...(mind you 1916's were late to be released) i suspect a rush was made with the rev b..."look...ok we reduced the breast and nipple on these" surely then it was scrap the whole bare breast and type 2's finished the year mintage requirement
i really don't think sleuths were on this quick enough to capture mintage figures of the 3 different 1917 quarter obverses
generally...that transitional in between the type 1 and type 2...is disregarded...probably never to be acknowledged except by some nobody like me
i stumbled on it searching for an example to buy that would qualify as "fully struck"...the differences became very apparent i got the rev b fully struck...but will have a fully struck example of all 3 as i find it interesting
everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see
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sweet 17 too
my hearts still thumping over that 11'...wow
fade
i hope you hit a couple you sucks and fill those holes way quicker then you'd thought too
quite a set to work on...
- Jim
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If those Indians are smokin' weed in that pipe on your coin, that covers Money, Sex and Drugs
Beck’s Public Baths Token, Virginia. Richmond, HT-441 / Low-275.
One of the most famous 19th century tokens listed in The 100 Greatest American Medals and Tokens by Q. David Bowers and Katherine Jaeger as their number 86.
While today we may think that, per the saying “cleanliness is next to godliness” it was not always so. In the period from about 1832 to 1844 when Charles Beck distributed his Beck’s Public Baths tokens in Richmond Virginia as bathing was an occasional experience at best. Houses did not have indoor plumbing and for most people in the city the closest thing to a bath was wiping with a soapy wet cloth. Across the country some academies and boarding schools made it an offense to bathe in the colder months as the practice being deemed unhealthy. For those who desired to bathe public baths were operated in most of the larger cities. Records show that in 1832 Charles Beck was a confectioner and the operator of a bathing facility. The baths were in operation until at least 1844. These tokens about the size of a quarter dollar may have circulated locally as currency or more likely they were used as admission checks.
In 1859 New York City numismatist Charles I. Bushnell published An Arrangement of Tradesmen’s Cards, Political Tokens. Soon the Beck’s token became a favorite with it’s somewhat risqué depiction of a nude woman. Naturally the popularity for this token was immediate and widespread due to the finely engraved naked woman on the obverse. Collectors with an eye for beauty eagerly latched onto these Beck’s Public Baths tokens at an early time. Demand has always exceeded supply since they were first noticed in Bushnell’s early reference.
JH
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don't post up some of my home states finer tokens and medals...
The other side is not porn. It's a symbol that makes me go all patriotic, though.
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<< <i>Methinks some folks see "Pornography" and think "Photography" >>
I think so too...oh well.
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There must be 51 breasts on those coins.
Duiguy, where have you been hiding that Trade dollar? It's amazing!!
I drive by the site of Beck's Baths every day on the way to work. The just built a hotel on the location. That token is on my bucket list.
You do have the most exceptional coin porn.
Is this collection representative of a Young Numismatist and his Teacher?????
Do you have any further explanation?
OINK
<< <i>this thread needs the pattern...gosh how i wish this was mine to show
And I thought the SLQ couldn't get any more deco ... wow ...
America was at war: World War I was raging in Europe, and at home industrial technology continued to advance at breakneck pace. A style of artistic construction called Art Nouveau, characterized by elegant, flowing lines, and new freedoms of expression, reached its peak of popularity in America, as the musty old conservative ethic of the long Victorian Era finally breathed its last gasps. Surely placing a topless Miss Liberty on our coinage would be okay; we're an enlightened nation, right?
The Standing Liberty Quarter Design:
Of course, Mint officials didn't plot to put bare-breasted ladies on our quarters! A competition was held, and several top sculptors were invited to submit designs to be considered for use on the coinage. The design selected for the quarter dollar was Hermon A. McNeil's, which depicts Miss Liberty standing between two large pedestals, holding an olive branch in her right hand, and a shield in her left. She wears a flowing garment that slips off her right shoulder to expose her breast.
Liberty's Bared Breast - Wartime Propaganda?:
There has been much speculation into why McNeil's design was selected and what the symbolism meant. The olive branch Liberty holds is a universal sign of peacemaking. The shield is clearly a symbol of warfare and defense. And Liberty's exposed breast? Was this wartime propaganda meant to imply, "come get your succor from the breast of the world's mother?" Or was it meant to say, "I come in peace, opening myself to you in earnestness?" History does not record the answer.
Leisurely Designed and Then Rushed Out the Door:
The dies for the 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter were ready for production by July of 1916. But production didn't begin until the last half of December that same year. Why the delay?
Could it be that some persons who had seen the coin design had objected, and the delay was the result of discussions and re-thinking things? Perhaps the mint was just really busy producing other coins? Two other new designs were issued that year as well. Again, history doesn't tell; we can only speculate.
The 1916 Standing Liberty Quarters Leave the Mint:
The 1916 production run of Standing Liberty Quarters consisted of 52,000 pieces, all of which were produced at the Philadelphia facility, and all of which left the mint by December 29, 1916. This small mintage made its way through the Treasury distribution system in early January of 1917, and awaited release into circulation. In the meantime, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Denver began striking the 1917 Standing Liberty Quarters, and sent them out for distribution as well.
A Bare-Breasted Liberty Finally Meets Her Outraged Public:
On January 17 of 1917, the bare-breasted Standing Liberty Quarter finally entered circulation, and the outcry was immediate and loud. Religious leaders used words like "obscene" and "filthy" to describe the visage of our beautiful Miss Liberty with her breast exposed. Citizens' groups rallied their memberships to lobby Congress to have the disgusting coin recalled.
Congress had little choice but to submit to the clamor. The bare-breasted Liberty Quarters began disappearing from circulation.
Liberty Taken to the Opposite Extreme:
McNeil was obliged to modify his design. Miss Liberty would need to be properly covered, according to the citizens of our enlightened nation. It is easy to imagine that McNeil might have been a little resentful about the modification chore he had to undertake. Rather than simply rearrange the drapery on Liberty's shoulder to cover the offending breast, he crafted a suit of armor instead, and chastely clothed Miss Liberty nearly to the neck in chain mail!
The Three Types of Standing Liberty Quarters:
The Standing Liberty Quarter needed a third design change starting in 1925 because the date was wearing off too quickly. The design was re-cut so that the date was recessed, rather than raised. A summary of the Standing Liberty Quarter types:
•Type I - Liberty's breast exposed (1916-1917)
•Type II - Liberty clothed, 3 stars below eagle on reverse (1917-1924)
•Type III - Same as II, but date is recessed (1925-1930)
One major error variety is recognized - the 1918 8-over-7 repunched date.
there are 3...1917 standing liberty quarters that were released....2 different design examples of type 1....then the final is called type 2 with chain mail
side by side...the design products don't lie
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
<< <i>I believe that I have the Rev A version (from page 1)...is one rarer (Rev 1 or 2) than the other? >>
yours is the rev a
i could only speculate as to "rarer"
i know the rev a is preferred being they had fuller breast and nipples are common on them
the transitional rev b
the breast was reduced and nipples are uncommon
chances are
with the stir going on with public backlash
with the mint already having rev a's minted...good to go...(mind you 1916's were late to be released)
i suspect a rush was made with the rev b..."look...ok we reduced the breast and nipple on these"
surely then it was
scrap the whole bare breast and type 2's finished the year mintage requirement
i really don't think sleuths were on this quick enough to capture mintage figures of the 3 different 1917 quarter obverses
generally...that transitional in between the type 1 and type 2...is disregarded...probably never to be acknowledged except by some nobody like me
i stumbled on it searching for an example to buy that would qualify as "fully struck"...the differences became very apparent
i got the rev b fully struck...but will have a fully struck example of all 3 as i find it interesting
<< <i>this thread needs the pattern...gosh how i wish this was mine to show
yeah, i would tend to agree with you on that one, that looks wicked cool and would like that one in my collection.
5$ bills are WOW with the numbers - wanted:
02121809
04151865
Wanted - Flipper notes with the numbers 6-9 or 0-6-9 ON 1$ 2$ 5$ 10$ 20$
Wanted - 10$ Sereis 2013 - fancy Serial Numbers