question on 71 rack packs...
begsu1013
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did they actually use cards from the set, punch a hole in them and use it as a "header/rack card"?
as always, i'd love your best smart azz comments, so long as some sorta reliable info is divulged!
see pic below:
as always, i'd love your best smart azz comments, so long as some sorta reliable info is divulged!
see pic below:
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
few follow ups:
a. does this one seem "authentic"
b. if so, would it just be a total loss even attempting to persuade psa to grade the card within the packaging? naturally I would want it left in the packaging...maybe in a pack holder? even just an "authentic" flip?
this is solely the "rack" card, not a full rack pack....but good idea if psa wont do it!
OC
LOL, besides that Tim is right as always.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
does that rack card seem legit? and were both of your cards OC or just the 9? naturally the rose and the ryan are probably one of the most often cards that are oc or miscut or on regular occasions..both!
found this gem not too long ago and just goes to show how bad the rose could be:
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Another aspect to look at when determining if an early 1970s rack is authentic is by looking at the seams in the rack~Topps used wider seams between sections in racks from 1970 through 1973 to support the higher card count (54) for racks that were hung for sale in the store. They switched to narrower seams in 1974 to coincide with a decrease in card count (42 cards). Resealers will often use rack packaging from later easier to find years to fabricate early 70s racks.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Here is the 8 I pulled, will look for picture of the 9OC but it was centered top bottom just like the 8 but OC left to right like yours from memory
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Begsu1013, the munson is the card most OC in this year as it is horizontal edge card versus the normal vertical card. Reggie tends to be found more OC than Pete as he is a corner card
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
That Pete Rose is a beauty!!
That's such a great looking card .... pose etc.
I don't have that card in my collection, certainly one I'd like to have one of these days here.
71 w/ actual card as header
i'm liking the rarity of my pete rose header more and more!
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>i guess this answers my original question about them using actual cards as the header and griffins suspicions...
71 w/ actual card as header
i'm liking the rarity of my pete rose header more and more! >>
Those are much more common than the 71 racks with yellow header card. John has already shown that racks with header cards can be authentic as all cards pulled from his rack followed correct sequence according to placement on the sheet including two very nice Pete Roses. I just think it is much easier to fabricate a 71 rack because player cards are obviously much easier to find than yellow header cards from 1971, but that doesn't necessarily mean all player card racks from 71 are fabricated. It's alao important to note the punch hole on the header card as Topps did not begin using cross hatch hole till 4th series in 1971. Prior to that, larger circular punch holes were used. However, there is still an element of mystery behind 71 racks with player cards as they were almost certainly not intended for retail sale due to lack of product code and pricing information.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>what about a gai graded one? >>
Not at that price.
ETA: Also, check seams between sections. Topps used double wide seams to support 54-card count till 1973.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>not interested in purchasing at all. was just posting it to show the rack pack header card... >>
They are plentiful to be sure.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>good, now find me one w/ nolan or pete on it! ; ) >>
One with Rose on top (and not as header card, lol) recently sold via Heritage, actually. And it had yellow header card, too, IIRC.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>good, now find me one w/ nolan or pete on it! ; ) >>
One with Rose on top (and not as header card, lol) recently sold via Heritage, actually. And it had yellow header card, too, IIRC. >>
i just missed out on a '71 rack with Rose showing on the back. It sold a few weeks before I could meet up with the seller. Regarding the Munson, I can attest to the miscut issue. Both the card I pulled from a rack and the one showing on another of my racks are both equally miscut side to side while the Rose I pulled was nearly 50-50 all around.
<< <i>what'd she command? but for some reason i'm into the header... >>
Shade over $1,300 with BP (graded GAI 7.5).
1971 Rose Rack Pack
This raw one ended at $1,075 (can't get a clear look at seams on this one)...
1971 Rose Rack II
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.