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jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
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A few weeks ago I bought an "unopened" box from an Ebay seller that I suspected was selling resealed boxes and packs. I figured I would find out for myself if he was. Before I sent the box to BBCE I told another member here that I was concerned that the box was bad. Here is the email I received from Steve at BBCE concerning the box. "James, Have all your boxes done. 11 of them are good. 1 of them is bad. Someone actually went through and re-sealed the whole box of 1981 Topps baseball wax (believe it or not!)." I sent the box back to the seller and received a refund this morning. I also received this message from the seller. "James, I am submitting the refund now. I am not sure the process your grading service uses, but to let you know the condition of the box when it came in. 8 of the packs had been opened as the flaps did not even get put back correctly, some had been placed upside down and backwards, 19 had the seal pulled back. Whether this box had been opened and resealed I have no idea but if the service being provided requires them to open the packs and lift the flap to investigate and would then seal it as if it were unopened I would certainly be questioning that." I have not responded to the message and probably won't. This seller sells quite a few loose packs and full boxes. For now I won't post the seller's user name but anyone wanting to know can PM me.
James

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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    pm'd
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have found that most resealers respond defensively in situations like that to redirect the focus on the true issue at hand. Glad you got the refund, at least.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • Webb63Webb63 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    James,

    Is the condition he is describing what BBCE did when authenticating the packs or is that the condition it was in when he /she sent it to you in the first place?
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>James,

    Is the condition he is describing what BBCE did when authenticating the packs or is that the condition it was in when he /she sent it to you in the first place? >>



    He is saying that BBCE did that to the packs. I emailed this guys message to Steve at BBCE.
    James
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Negative feedback has been left to warn future potential buyers.
    James
  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Negative feedback has been left to warn future potential buyers.
    James >>



    Good for you, James. I think there's a contingent of people that would leave positive due to the refund. Hopefully you mentioned that BBCE declared it bad so the seller can't spin your feedback as a bad buyer.
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I did mention BBCE is the feedabck. "I sent box to BBCE. All 36 packs were opened and resealed. Buyer beware"

    James
  • Webb63Webb63 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did mention BBCE is the feedabck. "I sent box to BBCE. All 36 packs were opened and resealed. Buyer beware"

    James >>



    I saw your feedback on eBay - great job!! Potential buyers need to be informed.
  • cardsfan73cardsfan73 Posts: 205
    Looks like the seller has had some past issues with re-sealed packs. Thanks for calling this to our attention and doing the right thing and leaving a negative feedback!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The verbiage in these auctions sounds very familiar. None of the packs currently listed look authentic, imo.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did mention BBCE is the feedabck. "I sent box to BBCE. All 36 packs were opened and resealed. Buyer beware"

    James >>



    Thank you James. Too many people won't leave the neg and it makes your help that much more valuable.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    Sorry this happened. When I recently opened a sealed and searched measly $15 box it made me feel icky. Unopened is a ton of fun to collect and rip, but when you're taken advantage of...it really stings, even more so, I think, than buying a raw card that was found to be trimmed. Unopened product is like someone is taking complete advantage of you.

    Unfortunately, with the feedback that was left, the seller can easily have it removed based on the premise that someone off eBay (BBCE) is mentioned. In the future I'd word it a bit differently, such as: "Sent box to professional authenticator. All packs were found to be opened and resealed. Buyer beware"

    Thanks for leaving the feedback. I'm going to neg the guy that sold me the searched and resealed 89 Topps Hockey box. I think this sort of thing needs to be documented more often.

  • flcardtraderflcardtrader Posts: 798 ✭✭✭
    Love the resealed seller that blames the authenticator - bwah-hah-hah-ha!

    Steve and BBCE to the rescue again!

    Glad you got a refund and the negative feedback serves him right for peddling garbage.
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    I can't believe with that guy's feedback people are still bidding on his unopened packs.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    except for the fact that they may be considering the resale of the very same items.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    C and D were driving over to E's house. All of a sudden it started to rain. C said "Hey D, you better call and tel e that we are going to be late because of the traffic.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • MapleleafMapleleaf Posts: 506 ✭
    Link please.
  • begsu1013begsu1013 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭
    good job on the neg feedback, regardless of refund. this is exactly what I woulda done as well!
  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭


    << <i>Link please. >>



    What's the reason nobody is posting the name of the seller here? Seems to be he should be outed here.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    What's the reason nobody is posting the name of the seller here? Seems to be he should be outed here.
    I guess nobody picked it up in my last comment!!!! LOL
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • begsu1013begsu1013 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭
    raintele. there I said it. and didn't even pm back and forth from the op. I really don't care. screw this guy. blatant fraud, period. add on using the us postal system and crossing state lines....


    sucks is I bought some packs from him as well....well within 3 months and hadnt sent them off yet, so there's the silver lining
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭


    << <i>raintele. there I said it. and didn't even pm back and forth from the op. I really don't care. screw this guy. blatant fraud, period. add on using the us postal system and crossing state lines....


    sucks is I bought some packs from him as well....well within 3 months and hadnt sent them off yet, so there's the silver lining >>



    I purchased 2 packs from him a few months ago. 1 of them was poorly resealed that it was obvious. The other pack was short 3 cards. I had to open an ebay case because he wouldn't respond to my messages.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is just his latest ebay user name. These guys are constantly reinventing themselves going all the way back to boyerendeavors over 15 years ago..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • cardsfan73cardsfan73 Posts: 205
    are they in any way connected to bruingirl2007? I seem to remember that seller using similar style photos for their loose packs. Just checked and doesn't look like bruingirl2007 is selling loose packs anymore...but they are still using the "selling dads old cards" line still.
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    He'll blame it on somethin'

    Gotta bame it on somethin'

    Blame it on the rain, raintele.
  • summerof68summerof68 Posts: 748 ✭


    << <i>are they in any way connected to bruingirl2007? >>


    bruingirl2007 in fact has a second "secret" ebay user ID (ohrather). The name on bruingirl2007's paypal account is Nicolette De Louche of Pacifica, California. The name on orather's paypal account is Sean De Louche of Pacifica, California. One of orather's recent ebay purchases was a lot consisting of five mint 1985 Topps baseball wrappers.

    "You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me"--Wyatt Earp
  • cardsfan73cardsfan73 Posts: 205


    << <i>

    << <i>are they in any way connected to bruingirl2007? >>


    bruingirl2007 in fact has a second "secret" ebay user ID (ohrather). The name on bruingirl2007's paypal account is Nicolette De Louche of Pacifica, California. The name on orather's paypal account is Sean De Louche of Pacifica, California. One of orather's recent ebay purchases was a lot consisting of five mint 1985 Topps baseball wrappers. >>




    Thanks for the heads up on that!!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ohrather himself was also a seller of unopened packs/boxes years back. IIRC, there was a couple of threads about him at the time.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    looks like he shoveled it backatcha James.
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I were going to open and reseal packs it sure wouldn't be 1981 Topps baseball. image Is there any way I can respond to his comment?
    James
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    yeah. go to Site Map link, then find Community, then Respond To Feedback Received. image
  • charrigancharrigan Posts: 2,293
    Link?
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Follow up feedback left.
    James


    Resealed 1981 Topps Box
  • charrigancharrigan Posts: 2,293
    What a joker. Sigh.
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    What a loser. Total liar.

    WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL BUYING HIS UNOPENED STUFF???!!!!
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was just looking at some Ebay packs and found a seller that I THINK is the same as raintele. They have the same type of packs listed that are selling for under market value. I realize that a lot of sellers sell unopened packs. The thing that makes me think it is the same seller is that in the past both sellers sold the same brand of socks. The odds of both selling similar packs and one specific brand of socks is very slim. The newly found seller is jonatsawye. See the links below for feedback showing the packs and socks sold by both sellers.
    James

    Edit to add: Both use the same listing style and listing program. Their locations are different.


    jonatsawye feedback

    raintele feedabck
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    we could be looking at a nationwide sock thief network using bogus sportscards as a diversion. image
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Add gijoewarehouse to the list while you're at it..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    LMAO he even has a couple negs for socks

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