Home› Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum

Did this '48 Leaf Wagner deserve an 8?

shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭✭
in Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum
Please discuss…

image
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."

Comments

  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Deserves got nothin' to do with it" image

    Movie line aside, I wouldn't give it an 8.
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    Yuck

    1994 Pro Line Live

    TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject

  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've heard of creases that were pressed out come back after being slabbed. Any chance this card was soaked with something that came back? Could it be mold or something? Seems like an 8 aside from the off-roading.
  • blee1blee1 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭
    I'd say it got moisture inside of it.
    Skips PSA Exchange
    Successful transactions with: yankeeno7, raiderguy10, Beck6, CDsNuts, DaveP01, Dboneesq, Elemenopeo, gameusedhoop, georgebailey2, Goldlabels, gstarling, justmichael, etc

    Working on.........
    Tony Dorsett Master Set
    1977 Topps Mexican FB (raw)
    1957 Topps FB Set (raw or graded)
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭✭
    It sold on eBay back in 2011 and looked the same back then as it does now. Looks more like toning to me than possible water damage.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭
    It would appear that the paper stock of the card is browned due to foxing.
  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    10(st)
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    looks like it got graded during a haboob.
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    Gee I thought I would be a swell guy today and not complain.........NO F#@$%#$%%^G WAY.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    They just don't stay true to their grading requirements with respect to vintage. No way that card is anything better than 2 grades below all the Jordan, Griffey Jr and Jeter PSA 8's on ebay right now.image
  • 59Horsehide59Horsehide Posts: 427 ✭✭✭
    No - beside that it is FAKE. Card label and card name do not match!!
  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I seriously doubt the card looked like that when PSA graded it.
  • BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think ol' Honus spit tobacco juice on the card.
    Daniel
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I always found this card to be very interesting. Wagner had his cards pulled from the T206 due to tobacco usage among children and then the 48 Leaf shows him about to put a wad in his mouth. It's almost like Leaf wanted to defy Wagner for his earlier stance.

    As far as the card goes, I know 48 Leafs are not the cleanest looking card, but that one is just dirty. I have to agree with those who said it appears that moisture got to it.

    yup
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,157 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No - beside that it is FAKE. Card label and card name do not match!! >>


    John (or Johannes) is Honus' actual given name. Honus is a nickname.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I always found this card to be very interesting. Wagner had his cards pulled from the T206 due to tobacco usage among children and then the 48 Leaf shows him about to put a wad in his mouth. It's almost like Leaf wanted to defy Wagner for his earlier stance.
    >>



    I think that is more urban legend than anything. Wagner had his cards pulled because of a contract disagreement.

    http://247wallst.com/investing/2013/04/05/tick-tock-t206-honus-wagner-going-going-gone/
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    looks like it got graded during a haboob.

    Haboobs are real, and they're spectaculah!
  • DezHoodDezHood Posts: 145 ✭
    I focus on 35 Chicle and 48 Leaf on the football side, and I have to say esp. w.r.t Chicle, this kind of grading isn't uncommon. Sometimes I feel like PSA (or more likely some subset of graders that work on these vintage issues) is least hard on the card surface. While PSA is my preferred company for grading, I'd really like to see them show individual scores. If this card is an 8 on corners and centering, fine - but no way its an 8 on surface which means the overall shouldn't be 8.

    There are lots of discussions on foxing, and when you look closely, I see foxing like spots on lots of vintage cards (usually the backs). I'm not sure I'd call this foxing... In any case, the surface is poor (dirty looking) and interestingly, I feel yellow backgrounds are esp. susceptible to this dirty surface look.
  • MapleleafMapleleaf Posts: 506 ✭
    I'm not even sure it is an 8 on corners.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cant say I have ever seen any 8 look remotely close to that, that card looks like it was pulled from a pouch of Red Man
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I'm sending a pocket size photo of that card along with each I card I am submitting to PSA for grading... from now on!!!
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>looks like it got graded during a haboob.

    Haboobs are real, and they're spectaculah! >>



    HA! image
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    What a horrible card. I hope someone bought the card and not the flip. One of the ugliest '8's I have ever seen.
  • jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭✭
    48 Leaf gets a lot of that staining more so than most issues.

    I don't give it an 8 even without the browning.

    How does moisture get into the card anyways......

    It gets an 8 because its the rare "let me think about that" version of the card.

    You can call him Honus
    You can call him John
    But ya doesn't have to call him Johnson.
    Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets
    1948-76 Topps FB Sets
    FB & BB HOF Player sets
    1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
  • skrezyna23skrezyna23 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm sending a pocket size photo of that card along with each I card I am submitting to PSA for grading... from now on!!! >>



    +1
    My Don sets / Donnie / Buehrle / Korean
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    I defense of the grade; I doubt the card looks like that in person. The CRAZY filters the guy used on the scanner bring out all of the ugly stains. It probably should be an 8ST, but what do I know.
    My eBay Store =)

    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> defense of the grade; I doubt the card looks like that in person. The CRAZY filters the guy used on the scanner bring out all of the ugly stains. >>



    The card looks the same in the scan on VCP from the 2011 auction, so I don't think it's the filters.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yuck >>


    +1
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭


    << <i>48 Leaf gets a lot of that staining more so than most issues.

    I don't give it an 8 even without the browning.

    How does moisture get into the card anyways....... >>




    The paper has what is called foxing. That is what turns paper this color.
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    It appears this card suffers from foxing. Foxing is not the same as if it had been stained from handling. It's also not a printing defect like a fish-eye. Foxing is organic and shouldn't be a factor when professionally grading the physical condition of a card. Is foxing a factor in determining the value of a paper item? Absolutely.

    I'm not familiar with the printing process of '48 Leaf cards, but I've seen plenty with possible foxing. It's possible that during the printing process the sheets came into contact with a fungi that eventually grew to what we see on this issue today. If this is a fungi, it's a good thing that it's encapsulated because it can be very contagious and spread to other paper items in someone's collection.

    I'd love to read up on the history of these cards if anybody has literature or experience on them, please share.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭
    Great!!! Now I have to get my cards tested for Ebola!!!

    +1 for using the word Fungi
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    raw fungi
Sign In or Register to comment.