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Anybody sending out 2002 Sacs for Slabbing?

Has anyone sent out any 2002 Sacs for slabbing? I'm still waiting for the mint to ship my 2-2000 coin bags. I imagine, since I asked, they willl use new dies for my coins! I wish!!! Mark
National Register Of Big Trees

We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.

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  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    I submitted a few.

    According to Coin World, the original mintage is coming close to being sold out, and more will be minted if collector demand warrants it.

    It might be interesting to try a couple bags or some rolls if there's a sellout and they have to mint more -- almost any change in quality would be a welcome one!
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I'm waiting on the bags to go on sale. The proof coin in my clad set is only a PR68 Dcam, not worth the fee. It'll be interesting to see what the MS67 coins fetch this time.image
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    The only slab the 2002's are going to get will be made of granite and graded RIPimage
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Can you guys help me understand why you collect BAGS of 2002 Sacs? I mean do you really believe there is value over face in these coins or are you just collecting for enjoyment? I'd appreciate your honest response. Thanks, Steveimage
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    Speaking for myself, I'd be buying a bag simply to search for high-grade coins. The other 1999 coins (approximately, based on current sampling image) would be going straight to the bank.

    But, with this year, there is a potential speculation play to be made, holding onto a pile of them and hoping that they'll quickly appreciate beyond face due to the potentially low mintage. Other modern coins with similar "low" mintage sell at premiums.

    Even if that was right, I'm not sure it'd get to be enough of a premium, fast enough, to make sense. And given the quantities involved to make it worthwhile, you'd want it to rise far enough that you could still make money dumping thousands of coins on a wholesaler at his bid price. No fun to sell off a few hundred rolls one at a time on eBay to avoid a buy/sell spread. image

    So far, my opinion is that it's not worth the risk and aggravation involved. Better and easier plays to be made elsewhere. Though I must admit I still have my searched rolls sitting here rather than trotting them right down to the bank like I did with earlier years. image
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Supercoin, why not roll up what is left (the 1999 coins) and sell as rolls? You should be able to get over face, and still sell for under the mints $35 a roll. I have noticed some in the pop report today. What are the "rare" ones? There are only 2002-D's currently graded. I almost thought about getting a set of these ( one of our board members is selling PCGS coins for $9, so the cost of the coin is -1 dollar vs. grading)

    I still may.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    I am too afraid to open the 2 rolls I got ( 1 D and 1 P ) of the 2002's. The ends are quite ugly and I am not sure I want to see what's inside.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Steve,

    One of the forum members that sucessfully "made" several 01-D MS68's (a very difficult coin) commented in a thread that he found the coins in a bag. The cost of examining the 2,000 coins contained in a bag is nominal, and the premium charged by the mint for the bag could be easily overcome by 3 or 4 coins worth slabbing even in MS67 quality if the 02 coins are anything like the 01 coins. Based on what others here have said concerning the quality of the 02's, the bags look like a pretty good gamble.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Don, I guess the "value" is in the search. It must take an amount of time to go thru 2000 coins in search of MS 68 and above. Then you must get them slabbed. Then you must sell them. I have a problem understanding why someone would pay over face money for these coins. And even the amount of money they would pay cannot make up for the cost and time it takes to assemble these high end common dollar coins. That is why I say that those of you who do it are probably doing it for fun and enjoyment more so than for potential profit. Am I right? Steve image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've been looking for gems for a long time! It's been a Blast! There should be a profit in it !!!!?
    Tempus fugit.
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323
    dbldie55, you could resell all the extras, but there are a number of problems with that... for one thing, described accurately, the customer is getting a pile of junk so they aren't likely to want to pay too much, especially considering shipping costs.

    Beyond that, you've got to advertise them, answer questions, roll and/or tube them, pay eBay and/or Paypal and/or credit card fees or deal with waiting for checks to clear, occasional deadbeat buyers, package them securely, deal with any mail problems, etc... Even when sold on my web site where I have many automated systems in place, it's still really a major PITA if you're only making a small amount above face. Not that I haven't done it in the past anyway, and may again. image

    As far as which grades are the good ones, anything MS67+ will be worth good money if current quality trends continue through the bags and mint sets. I've commited to paying $200/each for 2002-D MS67 to some people per my previous offer on the post if they make that grade, and I'm hoping that lone MS67 is soon to be mine!

    Currently, I would expect even an MS66 to sell for enough to make it worth slabbing fees -- that is, once you found the coin. Of course if you spend $100 to find it that's not much consolation. image
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Absolutely Steve. It's definitely a labor of love. If it weren't a hobby, it wouldn't make much sense, but frankly I enjoy looking thru raw coins. image
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • I have only looked through the two rolls that I got from the mint, BUT, if the mint puts the same quality coins in the UNC. Mint Sets, they will have to put on extra help to handle the returns!!!!!!!!!!!image
    Gary
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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭
    You are right Don, it is a labor of love. I can't wait to get my bags of 2002 Sacs. Mark
    National Register Of Big Trees

    We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Let us know what you find, quality that is. I am very much interested after reading here that the quality is so poor.
  • I'm waiting on the Mint sets to come out. Generally speaking, I have had better luck with coins from Mint Sets than from rolls or bags. Unfortunately, theres a lot of baggage that comes along with the Mint sets, but sometimes theres a cherry to be had there too!! LOL to all.image
  • LuvdawgsLuvdawgs Posts: 1,512
    I completely agree with Gary. My 2 rolls of 2002 - D Sac's looked horrible! I am one of the people who took Supercoin up on his offer
    to try to get some MS67's out of them, but I am not too optimistic about it. I sent PCGS 11 of them to grade, but I did it for the fun image

    Susan
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  • I've had absolutely no luck at all with the rolls , either P or D mint. The coins all looked terrible. I can't afford to buy the bags , so can only hope the mint set coins are a LOT better than what I've seen so far. With any luck , these coins will be like the 1981 SBA's , and may be worth more than face. It's pretty amazing that this series ( Sacagawea ) is really paralleling the SBA coins so far. You'd think they'd learn , but at least the 02 Sacs are supposed to be available to us , unlike the 1981 SBA's.image
    Howie--Always looking to upgrade SBA , MS Eagles & Ikes
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    Bill juding by the results the clowns at the local geek lab
    had with one of tads roll coins (see his pic) id venture yours are
    just as lovely, and no Bert Parks isnt interested in yours either. the
    roll coins seem quite ugly and a new wash seems to have been used
    on the planchets...but anyhow they still have the sample and still
    playing with it....let ya know if theres anything else to know.


    hehehehe
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    Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
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