Some guy pulled a $30K card from 1993 pack (not Jeter)
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I don't really know much of anything about Magic cards, beyond the fact that it is a game you play with the cards. Never played it, and I don't own any of them. However, I saw this link posted that has a video of a guy ripping a pack live and pulling a Black Lotus card worth around $30,000. Seems close enough to on topic of this forum that I thought I'd put the link here as a lot of people here can understand the fun of ripping and getting a big hit, regardless of the product.
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Quote from Teia Rabishu » The video's a fake. There's no way to get Tropical Island and Black Lotus in the same starter. The rare sheets simply don't work that way. The rare after Tropical Island would always be either Warp Artifact or Bayou. He somehow jumps 7 rares on the sheet, which isn't possible. Also, looking at the rares themselves, they definitely aren't fresh from the starter. The most likely explanation is that he simply resealed the whole thing with the rares he wanted to "open" inside. Whole thing seems like a poorly researched publicity stunt.
To get a Trop, the rares would've either come Bayou (on top)-Tropical Island or Tropical Island-Warp Artifact. He's going backwards by revealing the cards from the back of the starter, so the only thing that should be possible to come after a Tropical Island is a Bayou. The Trop also has a dent in the upper right corner of the border on the back & the Lotus appears to have a small amount of shuffle wear on its edges. The deck was clearly resealed.
Finding a fake Black Lotus wouldn't be hard. lol
Have no idea what this stuff is?
I remember years ago, someone did a "fake" rip and "got" ripped by the board.
Thanks for the good chuckle.
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<< <i>Funniest thread I have read in a long time - and its only 3 comments deep!
Thanks for the good chuckle. >>
These cards go for crazy money. I only wish I had bought one when a dealer told me about them four years ago.
The Black Lotus card has exploded since then and it had already run pretty hard.
Here is a raw copy.
Black Lotus
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<< <i>Funniest thread I have read in a long time - and its only 3 comments deep!
Thanks for the good chuckle. >>
These cards go for crazy money. I only wish I had bought one when a dealer told me about them four years ago.
The Black Lotus card has exploded since then and it had already run pretty hard.
Here is a raw copy.
Black Lotus >>
I thought Black Lotus was some kinda S&M thing.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
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<< <i>Funniest thread I have read in a long time - and its only 3 comments deep!
Thanks for the good chuckle. >>
These cards go for crazy money. I only wish I had bought one when a dealer told me about them four years ago.
The Black Lotus card has exploded since then and it had already run pretty hard.
Here is a raw copy.
Black Lotus >>
I thought Black Lotus was some kinda S&M thing. >>
Here is the background of the game and cards.
MTG
It is my understanding that there is big money out of Asia collecting the cards.
Many with tech based jobs collect the cards and obviously those jobs pay well so a nice backdrop of incomes to collect them and drive up the prices.
Print runs for starter decks from Alpha up until when I quit playing a few years ago are well known when it comes to the rares.
Also having sold $200K + of MTG cards now over the years I will say that not just any Black Lotus is a $30K card. Just like with sports cards condition/graded is a big factor in price. Also that Lotus does indeed have light shuffle wear.
<< <i>Video is fake and BS.
Print runs for starter decks from Alpha up until when I quit playing a few years ago are well known when it comes to the rares.
Also having sold $200K + of MTG cards now over the years I will say that not just any Black Lotus is a $30K card. Just like with sports cards condition/graded is a big factor in price. Also that Lotus does indeed have light shuffle wear. >>
I have no idea what this guy is talking about above, which means he probably does!!! ; )
if so inclined, can you explain the widespread panic card? no value at all, but I like the name. I've heard that name before somewhere....
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Have no idea what this stuff is?
I remember years ago, someone did a "fake" rip and "got" ripped by the board. >>
So is the the equivalent of pulling a Jordan, Stockton and Rodman out of one 1988 Fleer pack?
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<< <i>Funniest thread I have read in a long time - and its only 3 comments deep!
Thanks for the good chuckle. >>
These cards go for crazy money. I only wish I had bought one when a dealer told me about them four years ago.
The Black Lotus card has exploded since then and it had already run pretty hard.
Here is a raw copy.
Black Lotus >>
Would you pay 5k to someone with the feedback this guy has??
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Would you pay 5k to someone with the feedback this guy has?? >>
All of the bad feedback came after this auction ended.
James
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<< <i>Funniest thread I have read in a long time - and its only 3 comments deep!
Thanks for the good chuckle. >>
These cards go for crazy money. I only wish I had bought one when a dealer told me about them four years ago.
The Black Lotus card has exploded since then and it had already run pretty hard.
Here is a raw copy.
Black Lotus >>
Would you pay 5k to someone with the feedback this guy has?? >>
I never spent anytime even looking. Was just posting a raw copy to prove the point they bring cash. I did check the bid run down and there were five bidders above $4,000.
Here is a beat up copy that went for just over 4k from a reputable seller.
When I first started looking at these this would have been maybe $600 to $700 four years ago. Pretty awesome investment for someone who bought a copy then.
So for one of these black lotus cards that has wear like the one in your link, does it seem like people into the Magic cards would prefer that one was not graded so they could use it in their deck to play with? Or is it more common to keep one like that out of play and in a holder as a collectible?
<< <i>So for one of these black lotus cards that has wear like the one in your link, does it seem like people into the Magic cards would prefer that one was not graded so they could use it in their deck to play with? Or is it more common to keep one like that out of play and in a holder as a collectible? >>
I am not an expert on the game. I was told that you can no longer use the card in it.
It would appear to me that these are being bought as a highly desired collectable. The holy grail if you will of all Magic cards.
Some of the graded copies have gone for big money. PWCC auctioned off a BGS 9.5 a few months back and it went off in the high 20k range.
It will be interesting to find out how much this BGS 10 Pristine eventually sells for.
It's interesting. Some of these are "Alpha", some
are "Beta", and some are "Unlimited", each with
a different card number from the series.
I'm guessing that the "Alpha" Black Lotus is rarer
than the "Beta", and the "Beta" is rarer than the
"Unlimited". Is this correct, or are they all equally
rare?
John
"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Shane
LOL @ baseball card collectors saying Magic card collectors are weirdos.
Where would one find an MTG original box of cards that the card here would have actually been possible in and how much would that freaking box cost ?
<< <i>It's a collectible.
LOL @ baseball card collectors saying Magic card collectors are weirdos. >>
I never said anything about weird. All I said was that I didnt understand it. I was wanting someone to explain it to me.
And I get the fact that is a collectible. Why is it collectible?
Shane
a) from the rarest and most expensive set possible
b) a "rare" card even within the rare set
c) iconic in the way a 52 Mantle or 86 Jordan are for sports card collectors
There are many various editions of Magic cards. The Alpha set was released in limited quantities right at the beginning (its the first) well before most players picked up the game. By the time they joined, you couldn't get it. Scarcity. It is a very powerful card within the game that, combined with rareness, created a lore and made people want one. Demand. As others have pointed out, there is a big Magic market with a surprising amount of money. Not really that hard to see how it all adds up to a big price.
Now, not every Black Lotus is worth 30K, just like not every 52 Mantle is worth 100K. Condition matters, and there are few high grade Black Lotus Alphas. So, the general premise of "guy pulls 30K card" is probably exaggerated. But, the idea that there is a group of people who are in their 30s with money buying something that they liked as kids, even if kind of nerdy, shouldn't sound too foreign, right?
I talked to my 30 year old son a little while
ago and he told me a lot of stuff about MTG,
most of which I'm not going to remember.
He said that when MTG cards came out in
the early 90s, like anything else new, there
weren't that many people who grabbed
onto the game right away, at any rate not
like there would come to be, so the early
cards are not common.
Also, the game itself was not as refined
as it would come to be, so that there
were some cards that were too strong
and when combined with other strong
cards could end a game really quickly.
The company had to stop making those
cards in order to make the game more
equal and fun.
There was always, from the beginning,
some cards that were, what we would
call short prints. They just call them
rares.
Black Lotus was all three of these
things. Early, before a lot of people
were buying them, too strong, and rare.
My son gets together with friends on
weekends and plays MTG. They sit
around, drink beer, and vape (look it
up). They play "Standard" decks,
which is what you can buy at Target
today.
There are also "Modern" games which
plays decks which are older, maybe 15
to 20 years old, and "Vintage" games,
where players play with early cards
like the Black Lotus.
There are shops, usually mixed with game
rooms, where gatherings and tournaments
are held. I've been in one here in town that
has a lot of tables for gaming.
All of this is to say (if I have a clue what
my son was telling me) that there are
people who are very mentally invested in
this game, and because of that, there
are some, not all but some, who want to
collect the rarest of the rare Magic cards.
Some to play with, but also some to
just collect, have them graded and
gloat, just like we do.
John
"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
If you go there on the weekends they have these MTG or Pokemon tournaments and there are tons of people playing.
Many shops sell a large amount of these cards and if it weren't for them they would have drastically lower sales.
I place no value judgement on what people collect. If it makes you happy that is what it is intended to do.
There is nothing logical about collecting a piece of cardboard. It has no utility what so ever. You take it out of a pack or set and place it in a protective sleeve to stare at. It doesn't matter if it is Micky Mantle or a Cactus you are still doing the same thing and appealing to that part of human nature. Collecting is about the chase, personal meaning or whatever you want it to be.
Rising prices for collectibles attract new interest and that is clearly happening with this genre of cards.
100K?!
Just think of all the happy endings you can have that kind of scratch.
...and that's not even the "Alpha" Lotus.
"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
This is by far a different crowd then. It's not about the player or game here with this. It is completely about 'power'. Guys, they have taken 'The 52 Mantle' to an extreme no one here has ever fathomed.
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This is by far a different crowd then. It's not about the player or game here with this. It is completely about 'power'. Guys, they have taken 'The 52 Mantle' to an extreme no one here has ever fathomed.
A rare card is a rare card.
The value of all cards on some level has to do with power or bragging rights.
A Pop 1's value is predicated on the idea that no one else owns one.
<< <i>No offense but you are the Wrestling card guy. What about the single player card set registry collectors, of players that are considered totally lame as a collectible to others but are their favorite players ? Absolute zero power or glory with them pop 1's. Yet, personally, all the power and glory needed. >>
It is all the same on a Pop 1. At the end of the day only one person can say they own it. No matter how large or small the value money can't buy another copy at that moment in time or perhaps permanently. That is worth something to many.
Making the comparison to a 1952 Topps Mantle and an average Joe card is clearly not a good one. We are talking apples to oranges and a wealth differential that is extreme.
Many of those top cards are collected for the ability to show off to others. I personally find nothing wrong with that. No different then owning a super nice car, or a big diamond ring or large home in a coveted community.
Obviously I don't own any of those cards but I don't fault others who do for whatever reason they want to own them. A large percentage of the value is driven by bragging rights in reality. It is simple supply and demand.
Many could care less about my wrestling cards but in reality I have quite a few cards in a condition that no one else has and may never. I am not selling them so the value is only on paper but I do find it exciting when I look on the wall and say that is best copy that is known to exist no matter what the value.
Charigan , please shut the peen carport.
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Thank you for your valuable contributions to these boards.
<< <i>Yep. ok, agreed all counts here. Nobody here is a twin card collector. This is indeed why we're all here
Charigan , please shut the peen carport. >>
I think the condition rarity is driven by the fact that many in 1993 used the cards and didn't have the foresight to keep them in nice condition. My understanding is the Black Lotus was the trump card and delivered the knock out blow.
A year or so ago a guy who worked at the ABC liquor up the street came over to my condo after a show my brother played guitar in. He saw my wrestling cards and said wow I didn't realize these existed. I said yeah there are tons of cards that bring money and mentioned the MTG cards. He was very familiar with them and said he did have a Black Lotus. I immediately said find it and I will buy it. He looked everywhere and was unable to locate it. He was disappointed naturally because I was going to give him much more then he thought it could be worth and I explained to him that the cards were bringing big money in nice condition. He bought his copy for $80 early on and it was highly coveted from the early stages of the cards release and he explained that players wanted it so they could win the game. He is the one who told me they changed the rules and banned certain cards.
This kind of power card in their world once these cards became highly collected naturally gained enhanced value.
It is much easier for me to understand the desire to own a card of a human but in the end we are all collectors.
<< <i>Demand. Single non-star players lack it. High grade rare MTG cards do not. >>
Thank you also for whatever that was. You didn't even get the point.
these cards have started to pick up a lot of momentum lately as well. while not $30K, they still ring true with our generation having more disposable income. i'm happy with mine considering...
while i'd never compare it to the 52 topps pafko card, it has the same qualities...the 1st card in a 1st set series and has kinda stood in there with the test of time. they still make'em today...
nasty nick cards
please note: big difference in the glossy backs vs the matte backs
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<< <i>Demand. Single non-star players lack it. High grade rare MTG cards do not. >>
Thank you also for whatever that was. You didn't even get the point. >>
Enlighten me.
<< <i>to each their own. I actually nerded out and bought a nasty nick glossy psa 10 recently for $1555. within the next 2 days to more sold went up to $2500 and $2750+
these cards have started to pick up a lot of momentum lately as well. while not $30K, they still ring true with our generation having more disposable income. i'm happy with mine considering...
while i'd never compare it to the 52 topps pafko card, it has the same qualities...the 1st card in a 1st set series and has kinda stood in there with the test of time. they still make'em today...
nasty nick cards >>
You also have the benefit that many GPK stickers were posted on notebooks, lockers and anywhere else a kid would have in the mid 80's. Not to mention I doubt there is one human alive who could have predicted that a sticker from that set would one day command $2,750.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
On a side note my parents wouldn't allow us to buy GPK and I am sure a few others out there were in the same boat. I was stuck buying 1985 Topps and Fleer baseball.