British Overdate Help

JCMhouston

So this coin currently resides in a popular TPG holder as an 1819/6 overdate. This would be an incredible find, it is shown in most catalogs as "reported", but no known examples besides this one. Unfortunately it appears to me to be a 1819 over high 9, something much less valuable. Your opinions please, sorry but this is the best pic I can find of it.

1960NYGiants

Looks like a 9/9 to me.

MilkmanDan

I agree, looks like 9/upside down 6.

coinkat

Have you been able to find an image of the overdate? I ask mainly because I wonder what the chances are of it being an inverted 6

Looks to be a repunched 9- looks nice and not sure of its rarity. I can check to see if it is in an older Coincraft Catalog

JCMhouston

That's the only pic, I don't own the coin so can't get a better image.

MilkmanDan

To be clear, I was joking when I said 9 over inverted 6. I think it's the 9/high 9 mentioned in the OP.

7Jaguars

I just can not make a "6" in there at all in any form. Agree 9 over 9.

RareBronzeCollector

It looks like a 9 over 9 to me...

Lovely coin though....

LochNESS

Awesome.

I love overdates because you can enjoy the artist's clean design while simultaneously getting a cool error off in one small corner. Have your cake and eat it. The juxtaposition is striking in certain examples as it is here. Double dies are fun but not as much IMO because the whole design has some noticeable doubling (usually).

JCMhouston

Thanks guys, I also sent the pic to a couple of other experts and the consensus is 9/9. Appreciate the inputs.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Awesome.

I love overdates because you can enjoy the artist's clean design while simultaneously getting a cool error off in one small corner. Have your cake and eat it. The juxtaposition is striking in certain examples as it is here. Double dies are fun but not as much IMO because the whole design has some noticeable doubling (usually). >>



Well said. I never thought of it that way except subconsciously.

Alas, I can offer no help on the question at hand.

Are attributions like this on a TPG label covered by any guarantees? I mean, if the variety on the label is considerably more valuable and it later turns out not to be that variety, does the TPG have any liability?

I strongly doubt it, somehow.

PS- after a second, closer look- I don't see a 6 there. I too see 9/9.

LochNESS

I love our hosts, but I believe they are very slippery when it comes to honoring the attributions etc. under their "grade guarantee" policy. I have submitted coins which came back with the wrong country, and/or the wrong variety attribution, and their response was "send it back and we'll re-slab it if we feel the error is serious enough to warrant it." But of course they would not pay the fee for a second slabbing ... so I have not sent back the coins. I also bought one once - perhaps you recall - the country and grade and label info were all correct but the certificate number / serial didn't match the data ONLINE ... really troublesome if you are trying to sell and they don't know you and accuse you of pawning a fake slab / counterfeit ... but again when I inquired they said "mail it back with your payment" ... so I have not.

WorldTypeSet

I love our hosts, but I believe they are very slippery when it comes to honoring the attributions etc. under their "grade guarantee" policy.

I would like to hear some direct evidence to support this claim. Have there been cases where a collector was "duped" into buying a common variety because of a label listing a rare variety, where the label error was not obvious, and not come to a successful resolution with PCGS?


I have submitted coins which came back with the wrong country, and/or the wrong variety attribution, and their response was "send it back and we'll re-slab it if we feel the error is serious enough to warrant it." But of course they would not pay the fee for a second slabbing ... so I have not sent back the coins. I also bought one once - perhaps you recall - the country and grade and label info were all correct but the certificate number / serial didn't match the data ONLINE ... really troublesome if you are trying to sell and they don't know you and accuse you of pawning a fake slab / counterfeit ... but again when I inquired they said "mail it back with your payment" ... so I have not.

I have returned a box full of "mechanical errors" to PCGS. This included ...
- Wrong country (Angola 10 Escudo ... Portugal label)
- Wrong year (1783 Regensburg Pfennig ... 1783 label)
- Wrong denomination (1932 Brazil 2000 Reis ... 200 Reis label)
- Wrong variety (Greece KM-102 10 Lepta ... KM-103 label)
- Wrong finish (1979 Belize Prooflike 25 Cent ... Proof label)
- Coin not in database (eg: 1743 Great Britain Maundy Penny)

I clearly communicated the problems to PCGS via email before sending them in, and included details of the errors (including pics and screenshots from Krause) along with the Submission From.

Not only were these corrected for free, PCGS also reimbursed my shipping costs. The entire process did not cost me anything (other than a little of my time).

7Jaguars

Some (labeling?) errors are difficult to accept in that on submission the "tentative" attribution made with evidence/supporting material submitted and yet coin slabbed with wrong designation anyway. In one case I've been thinking about requesting a multi-holder and put in all the permutations so they can have a reference.

LochNESS

<< <i>I have returned a box full of "mechanical errors" to PCGS. ... Not only were these corrected for free, PCGS also reimbursed my shipping costs. The entire process did not cost me anything (other than a little of my time). >>

I am very glad for you, friend. And I am still a big PCGS fanboy. Perhaps I should compile mine into one big submission box Unfortunately as mentioned my email correspondences with them leaned in a different direction.


<< <i>I would like to hear some direct evidence to support this claim. Have there been cases where a collector was "duped" into buying a common variety because of a label listing a rare variety, where the label error was not obvious, and not come to a successful resolution with PCGS? >>

I understand your reading. That is not what I meant to say. What I meant, was that I have presented them with a few cases of label errors / attribution errors, and they have not offered to fix it (without additional cost to me). Perhaps this is not covered under the grade guarantee policy, in which case I retract my opinion.