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N-5 Altered Stock?

DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
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I had a card come back from PSA with a N-5 grade. It was purchased raw from ebay, a card that probably has a lot of reprints. So I'm not totally shocked. But I'm curious...what is the most common explanation for the N-5?

Here's PSA's official explanation: N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring and trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced.

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  • charrigancharrigan Posts: 2,293
    What card was it?
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
    1976 Walter Payton rookie
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  • Arsenal83Arsenal83 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭
    I'm betting someone touched up the bottom corners with white out or white paint pen.
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭


    << <i>I'm betting someone touched up the bottom corners with white out or white paint pen. >>


    Interesting. Would that show under black light? I'll have to check the corners.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭
    Possibly remnants from wax stain removal? I think wrinkle removal and rebuilding of stock (especially the backs) are fairly common restorations now, unfortunately.
  • Arsenal83Arsenal83 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭
    Check for a rough finish on those corners but still white.
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭


    << <i>Check for a rough finish on those corners but still white. >>


    Thanks. I'll check it out when I get it back. If i resubbed would it be 99% that it would come back with the same N 5?
  • Arsenal83Arsenal83 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭
    nothing is 99% with grading cards...it just all depends on what you see under the loupe. remember, if you see it, they'll likely see it.
  • DavisDavis Posts: 705 ✭✭
    Quick and Good News Update.

    After it popped as N-5, I spoke to the person who I originally acquired the card from and they seemed to pretty honest and we concluded that the card was likely in a screw-down case too tightly which made it appear to have been squished or altered. He was adamant that he was the only owner of the card and he pulled it from a graded pack. I was a little bummed because this was the first card I've ever subbed that came back with a no-grade

    I called PSA the morning after it popped to politely inquire about the N-5 grade. They too thought it was most likely deemed altered stock due to the screw down case (I guess this is somewhat common with "iceblock" holders). However, I explained the story of the card and politely asked if they would be able to look it over one more time before sending. I have a feeling that it's pretty common for callers to be rude and accusatory towards the customer service folks. I think because I was courteous, he was willing to have a lead grader took one more look at it (as a one-time favor). Low and behold...it's on its way back to me in a PSA 7 holder. I am very pleased that PSA was willing to give it a second look.
  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭
    hey, great outcome

    PSA 7 is a nice grade on that one it seems
  • charrigancharrigan Posts: 2,293
    Davis: classy, and great result! I hate that the prevailing MO in service industries is to provide good CS only when people get angry--thus oddly incentivizing it. Nice to see hear that you handled it the right way and that PSA responded. Kudos!
  • rcmb3220rcmb3220 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭
    good deal. The lesson is assume people will do the right thing and treat them accordingly ahead of time. You were rewarded nicely.
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