Probstein

PMKAY

I don't follow what he sells much as I am unable to purchase from him even if I wanted to. How much say do you think consignors have or want in the starting price of their auctions? This made me wonder.

Seem a little high to me. 4SC has one for a third of the price. Granted it is not as nice but still.

Then there is this one. Not sure what to think of that starting price. And he's listed it as a POP 6 when it's a POP 8. There is another one on ebay right now. Two others sold recently for 177.50 and 207.50

PaulMaul

I think consignors clearly have a say since I see similar items starting at .99 or at $99.

wrestlingcardking

That card will sit forever at that price......

PMKAY

<< <i>That card will sit forever at that price...... >>



My thought as well which made me wonder why he would bother to list it like that.

MULLINS5

Let me preface my answer by stating that I don't look at cards as part of some investment portfolio (and I'm not saying that you are), but I honestly don't see the big deal with all these 80s wrestling cards. I'm sorry but I don't see them holding their 'value' (even the 82 All-Stars). It appears that there's a relatively low following compared to other other sports, and you have a few people willing to spend big money on certain examples. That doesn't make something a good investment. When I put cards and investment together in my head I think about iconic sets, with large followings like '52 Topps Baseball. I can't speak for Basketball or Football, but for Hockey I don't even see sets like '79 Topps/OPC, as popular as they are, making good investments. I don't even think the Gretzky rookie is a wise investment.

I'm a book guy, and in the antiquarian book market some dealers gobble up as many of a particular edition as they can (the more odd-ball/obscure, the better their chances of cornering the market) and then offer them in their shop for crazy high prices, but if you see the same book hit eBay it always sells for a fraction of their asking price, and almost always to one of the dealers with an invested interest to keep potential customers, who may want the edition, unable to obtain it unless they crack down and pay the high price the dealer wants. The general public sees the books in their shop and assumes that's 'what it's worth'

Unfortunately, there're some dealers who will go the lengths to use many IDs to 'bid up' books, without the intention of paying only to inflate the price. There're also dealers who use multiple IDs to bid up these obscure editions so that they have cornered the market in order to place a false value of the edition on the book in order to justify their prices. Many times it's the same seller who lists and buys and then cancels after the auction in order to keep from paying FVF.

With all that said, to answer your question I think there're some dealers (probstein, 4SC, et cetera) with cards they either can't move at their buy it nows (potentially looking at flawed previous sales prices) or sell for far less at auction than what previous prices were. Even BBCE has wrestling wax for high prices, and I think it's because of the sales data of these PSA cards IMO.

PMKAY

<< <i>Let me preface my answer by stating that I don't look at cards as part of some investment portfolio (and I'm not saying that you are), but I honestly don't see the big deal with all these 80s wrestling cards. I'm sorry but I don't see them holding their 'value' (even the 82 All-Stars). It appears that there's a relatively low following compared to other other sports, and you have a few people willing to spend big money on certain examples. That doesn't make something a good investment. When I put cards and investment together in my head I think about iconic sets, with large followings like '52 Topps Baseball. I can't speak for Basketball or Football, but for Hockey I don't even see sets like '79 Topps/OPC, as popular as they are, making good investments. I don't even think the Gretzky rookie is a wise investment.

I'm a book guy, and in the antiquarian book market some dealers gobble up as many of a particular edition as they can (the more odd-ball/obscure, the better their chances of cornering the market) and then offer them in their shop for crazy high prices, but if you see the same book hit eBay it always sells for a fraction of their asking price, and almost always to one of the dealers with an invested interest to keep potential customers, who may want the edition, unable to obtain it unless they crack down and pay the high price the dealer wants. The general public sees the books in their shop and assumes that's 'what it's worth'

Unfortunately, there're some dealers who will go the lengths to use many IDs to 'bid up' books, without the intention of paying only to inflate the price. There're also dealers who use multiple IDs to bid up these obscure editions so that they have cornered the market in order to place a false value of the edition on the book in order to justify their prices. Many times it's the same seller who lists and buys and then cancels after the auction in order to keep from paying FVF.

With all that said, to answer your question I think there're some dealers (probstein, 4SC, et cetera) with cards they either can't move at their buy it nows (potentially looking at flawed previous sales prices) or sell for far less at auction than what previous prices were. Even BBCE has wrestling wax for high prices, and I think it's because of the sales data of these PSA cards IMO. >>



None of this has anything to do with my original post.

SumoMenkoMan

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Then there is this one. Not sure what to think of that starting price. And he's listed it as a POP 6 when it's a POP 8. There is another one on ebay right now. Two others sold recently for 177.50 and 207.50 >>



I think I saw a response from Probstein saying he didn't update the pop numbers in auction titles because it was too much work to keep all his auctions up-to-date as the pop numbers changed.

MULLINS5

<< <i>

<< <i>Let me preface my answer by stating that I don't look at cards as part of some investment portfolio (and I'm not saying that you are), but I honestly don't see the big deal with all these 80s wrestling cards. I'm sorry but I don't see them holding their 'value' (even the 82 All-Stars). It appears that there's a relatively low following compared to other other sports, and you have a few people willing to spend big money on certain examples. That doesn't make something a good investment. When I put cards and investment together in my head I think about iconic sets, with large followings like '52 Topps Baseball. I can't speak for Basketball or Football, but for Hockey I don't even see sets like '79 Topps/OPC, as popular as they are, making good investments. I don't even think the Gretzky rookie is a wise investment.

I'm a book guy, and in the antiquarian book market some dealers gobble up as many of a particular edition as they can (the more odd-ball/obscure, the better their chances of cornering the market) and then offer them in their shop for crazy high prices, but if you see the same book hit eBay it always sells for a fraction of their asking price, and almost always to one of the dealers with an invested interest to keep potential customers, who may want the edition, unable to obtain it unless they crack down and pay the high price the dealer wants. The general public sees the books in their shop and assumes that's 'what it's worth'

Unfortunately, there're some dealers who will go the lengths to use many IDs to 'bid up' books, without the intention of paying only to inflate the price. There're also dealers who use multiple IDs to bid up these obscure editions so that they have cornered the market in order to place a false value of the edition on the book in order to justify their prices. Many times it's the same seller who lists and buys and then cancels after the auction in order to keep from paying FVF.

With all that said, to answer your question I think there're some dealers (probstein, 4SC, et cetera) with cards they either can't move at their buy it nows (potentially looking at flawed previous sales prices) or sell for far less at auction than what previous prices were. Even BBCE has wrestling wax for high prices, and I think it's because of the sales data of these PSA cards IMO. >>



None of this has anything to do with my original post. >>



I am explaining why, perhaps, certain sellers list cards for the prices they do.

wrestlingcardking

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<< <i>

<< <i>Let me preface my answer by stating that I don't look at cards as part of some investment portfolio (and I'm not saying that you are), but I honestly don't see the big deal with all these 80s wrestling cards. I'm sorry but I don't see them holding their 'value' (even the 82 All-Stars). It appears that there's a relatively low following compared to other other sports, and you have a few people willing to spend big money on certain examples. That doesn't make something a good investment. When I put cards and investment together in my head I think about iconic sets, with large followings like '52 Topps Baseball. I can't speak for Basketball or Football, but for Hockey I don't even see sets like '79 Topps/OPC, as popular as they are, making good investments. I don't even think the Gretzky rookie is a wise investment.

I'm a book guy, and in the antiquarian book market some dealers gobble up as many of a particular edition as they can (the more odd-ball/obscure, the better their chances of cornering the market) and then offer them in their shop for crazy high prices, but if you see the same book hit eBay it always sells for a fraction of their asking price, and almost always to one of the dealers with an invested interest to keep potential customers, who may want the edition, unable to obtain it unless they crack down and pay the high price the dealer wants. The general public sees the books in their shop and assumes that's 'what it's worth'

Unfortunately, there're some dealers who will go the lengths to use many IDs to 'bid up' books, without the intention of paying only to inflate the price. There're also dealers who use multiple IDs to bid up these obscure editions so that they have cornered the market in order to place a false value of the edition on the book in order to justify their prices. Many times it's the same seller who lists and buys and then cancels after the auction in order to keep from paying FVF.

With all that said, to answer your question I think there're some dealers (probstein, 4SC, et cetera) with cards they either can't move at their buy it nows (potentially looking at flawed previous sales prices) or sell for far less at auction than what previous prices were. Even BBCE has wrestling wax for high prices, and I think it's because of the sales data of these PSA cards IMO. >>



None of this has anything to do with my original post. >>



I am explaining why, perhaps, certain sellers list cards for the prices they do. >>



Can you explain why you created an ID that says davidpeckloveswrestling? I find that weird.

KNAPP

Book collecting sounds like a really fun and exciting hobby. I don't know anyone who collects books as a hobby or as an investment and if I did, I probably wouldn't be friends with them anyway.

hyperchipper09

In before POOF! Part II for the day

wrestlingcardking

<< <i>Book collecting sounds like a really fun and exciting hobby. I don't know anyone who collects books as a hobby or as an investment and if I did, I probably wouldn't be friends with them anyway. >>



I'm still concerned that someone would take another members name from here and create an ebay ID about it....I find that much more odd than book collecting. I've yet to hear a response from Mullins on him creating that ID.

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wrestlingcardking

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<< <i>Book collecting sounds like a really fun and exciting hobby. I don't know anyone who collects books as a hobby or as an investment and if I did, I probably wouldn't be friends with them anyway. >>



I'm still concerned that someone would take another members name from here and create an ebay ID about it....I find that much more odd than book collecting. I've yet to hear a response from Mullins on him creating that ID. >>



I've got it narrowed down to the following:

This is a Mullins way of.....
A) Book nerd revenge for something Dpeck said in some thread......
Man crush on Dave with a stack of February 2012 SMRs from his Hemingway sales proceeds (not that there is anything wrong with it!)
C) Something else I am not aware of....

I'm definitely open to hear what he has to say to enlighten us all.

kingbeeswax

I have that PSA 10 #56 up for $47.99, I think it was the first graded PSA 10 of the card. Maybe other's pricing it so high will make mine sell. Cool card I collected when I was a kid

NickM

<< <i>Book collecting sounds like a really fun and exciting hobby. I don't know anyone who collects books as a hobby or as an investment and if I did, I probably wouldn't be friends with them anyway. >>



You need a .

There are a lot of us here who collect books - especially sports books.

Nick

KNAPP

I too have many sports books, especially boxing, but I don't collect them per se or invest in them. You know what I meant.

Downtown1974

I have many leather bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.