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Getting 1962 Green Tints Re-Holdered as Green Tints

Just wondering if any one has had experience submitting 1962 green tints graded without the green tint designation. I recently submitted 76 of them, thinking it would be a no brainer on most with maybe some problems with the Ruth cards. Instead 45 were rejected. I'm currently fighting my way up the "food chain" but I think PSA has dug in their heels. Any thoughts or experiences? Thanks.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haven't had experience with 1962 green tints, but have had several debates with PSA over other issues. I have found Gayle and Cosetta both very nice people to work with. I have had some luck with 1956 whiteback/grayback cards getting "fixed".

    Took me two years to get the 1967 Punchouts (three variations) added to the Killebrew Master set.

    Sometimes I have gotten them to see it my way others I have had no luck.

    Good luck!

    edited to add; Why were your cards rejected?
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  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you get Bartsch to publish a variation, PSA will then add it to their specs in the research department and begin to make the distinction on the grading label.

  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    Nice thread on 62 Greenies from 54 post war

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    Topps Baseball-1948, 1951 to 2017
    Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
    Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007

    Al
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice tread on 62 Greenies from 54 post war

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  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    Thanks everyone for all the info. Once I get my cards back I'll provide more details. What frustrates is I've sent scanned examples of the ones they've graded correctly, yet don't seem to want to apply it across the board. The Green tint designation for PSA came about in July 2012. Cosetta has helped some but has limited power because this is a grading issue. The cards were rejected because the head grader has decided they are not green tint. The fact that they are greenish and have the typical blurred look apparently is not persuasive enough.....Hopefully they are reviewing scans I sent but I'm not holding my breathe. I will contact Tom Bartsch as I've recently done some free lance photography for SCD with more projects in the pipeline.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    Read the net54 article. Spot on. And I put every card next to each other before I submitted.
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice thread on 62 Greenies from 54 post war

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    Very informative, thanks!
  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    Yes, a good article.

    But, my eye just isn't buying that #170 Ron Santo is the green tint version. Anyone else see this?
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes, a good article.

    But, my eye just isn't buying that #170 Ron Santo is the green tint version. Anyone else see this? >>



    I think it is but its more obvious when the 2 are side by side. When I get the cards back i'd be willing to post but I'll need help uploading...just can't master photo bucket. I can't log on, nor can I re-register.
  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
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    Topps Baseball-1948, 1951 to 2017
    Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
    Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007

    Al
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a pretty obvious cropping difference w/right hand touching border and spaced away.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    some of the grass died, too.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    I'm glad you guys can see the difference. I'm still waiting on final "judgement".
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    The verdict is in-----not good news:

    Hello Joe,

    After doing extensive research, reading up on several articles, and talking to the graders, the final decision has been made. Unfortunately at this point in time, the green tint designation is “opinion based,” and ultimately our graders will decide whether or not it is to be labeled a green tint variation. Since many of the cards have potentially very subtle green tints, it is very very hard to distinguish whether or not they could be designated as a green tint variation.

    In regards to your order, at this point in time our graders feel more comfortable labeling your cards as they are and not adding the green designation to the label . I apologize for the delay and any inconvenience this has caused. Please know, that in the future this decision might change, so you are always allowed to resubmit them in the future.

    Please let me know if I can release your order and ship it back to you.

    Sincerely,

    Veronica Lopez
    Customer Service Manager

    When the cards are back in hand, I will scan all 45 side by side with the regular issue and with someone's help, I'll post them for your perusal and opinions. PM me and I'll share my response to the above email. FRUSTRATING!
  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Please know, that in the future this decision might change, so you are always allowed to resubmit them in the future. >>



    For a fee, or will they do it for you since you asked originally and got declined?
  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    I have a "set" of the greenies with my 62 set. Side by side they are easy to spot. There are almost always cropping as well as color differences ( and pose differences in some cases), in part because the greenies were likely produced by a separate printer. But if a grader has only one card before him/her, I can understand why there might be uncertainty on some of the cards. Since I don't collect graded cards and since the greenies are otherwise well recognized in the hobby, I do not really care what PSA does on these
    Topps Baseball-1948, 1951 to 2017
    Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
    Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007

    Al
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Please know, that in the future this decision might change, so you are always allowed to resubmit them in the future. >>



    For a fee, or will they do it for you since you asked originally and got declined? >>



    I asked that question but have yet to receive an answer. I originally had a deal to submit 76 cards at $4 each. Being that they shot down 45 cards, I'm out $180. My question to them is if they don't recognize the facts about green tints now, what could possibly change their minds-----and how much would they milk me in fees to accomplish this?
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a "set" of the greenies with my 62 set. Side by side they are easy to spot. There are almost always cropping as well as color differences ( and pose differences in some cases), in part because the greenies were likely produced by a separate printer. But if a grader has only one card before him/her, I can understand why there might be uncertainty on some of the cards. Since I don't collect graded cards and since the greenies are otherwise well recognized in the hobby, I do not really care what PSA does on these >>



    I sent them scans, plus printed articles highlighting the differences. It was like banging my head against the wall----"very subtle green tints" means they are green, subtle or not! Are they suppose to be as green as Kermit the Frog? I would completely agree with you about who cares what PSA thinks but I had this crazy notion of having a completely graded "super" set since this was the first set I ever collected as a kid.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    Cards are on the way back.
  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭
    So the cards are all back in hand and I've scanned every card side by side including pose variations from #110-#196. If someone would volunteer to post all the photos I'd be grateful. PM me with your email and I'll email the folder. I'd do it myself, just can't get photoshop to work. My account is screwed up. Would appreciate opinions. Any green tint that doesn't have a green tint flip are the ones rejected by PSA. Also pay attention to the cropping as well. Thanks!
  • ejohnejohn Posts: 42 ✭✭
    Had a similar experience with green tints but got it resolved very favorably. Here is what happened.

    I submitted about 60 cards to be relabeled while attending the White Plains show that PSA was set up at. I paid a per card fee. They took them back to CA., relabeled about 20 as green tints and returned all of them. A few months later I went to the same WHite plains show and visited with the same PSA person again. She was very nice. This time I gave her the 40 cards that didnt get relabed and I presented scans of my green tint card next to the no tint version. I point out that in some cases it has nothing to do with being green. But in all cases the versions are cropped differently ( more of the left side shows in the case of green tints) and green tints are usually blurry. Also the border is a lighter brown than the No Tints. I emailed the scans to her and she presented the cards to the grader along with the scans and everyone of them came back labeled correctly. Also this time I wrote the word "Green Tint Version" on each of the 40 lines on the submission form. I think that helps a lot otherwise they might not consider the poosibility. Additionally she did not charge me again and PSA picked up the tab calling it a technical grading error. I wouldnt assume they know more about green tints than you do. Make every effort to make it easy for them to get it right. You would think they would get scans for themselves. Put the two versions together and its darn easy to see in most cases. There are a couple that are very difficult though. Dick Hall 189 and Neiman 182 are tough to tell even when they are sitting side by side. The best way to distinguish those is the cropping. The turnaround time to fix those was very fast and it was completely free to resubmit them. All of my green tints are marked correctly (thank you PSA) now and Im number 2 on the Super Set register with only 1 more to go to finish the Super Set. Dallas Green and I need the No Tint version. Hasnt been one for sale in a couple of years but plenty have sold before that per VCP. If you needs scans or help with Green Tints Im available.
  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If anyone is pursing 1962 Topps Green Tints, I would highly recommend approaching Ebay Seller Carson.Ritchey - http://www.ebay.com/usr/carson.ritchey to see if they are offering any more.

    They've been selling a bunch of Greenies lately. I just got this lot from them, and am very happy with how they turned out.

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  • JMDVMJMDVM Posts: 950 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Had a similar experience with green tints but got it resolved very favorably. Here is what happened.

    I submitted about 60 cards to be relabeled while attending the White Plains show that PSA was set up at. I paid a per card fee. They took them back to CA., relabeled about 20 as green tints and returned all of them. A few months later I went to the same WHite plains show and visited with the same PSA person again. She was very nice. This time I gave her the 40 cards that didnt get relabed and I presented scans of my green tint card next to the no tint version. I point out that in some cases it has nothing to do with being green. But in all cases the versions are cropped differently ( more of the left side shows in the case of green tints) and green tints are usually blurry. Also the border is a lighter brown than the No Tints. I emailed the scans to her and she presented the cards to the grader along with the scans and everyone of them came back labeled correctly. Also this time I wrote the word "Green Tint Version" on each of the 40 lines on the submission form. I think that helps a lot otherwise they might not consider the poosibility. Additionally she did not charge me again and PSA picked up the tab calling it a technical grading error. I wouldnt assume they know more about green tints than you do. Make every effort to make it easy for them to get it right. You would think they would get scans for themselves. Put the two versions together and its darn easy to see in most cases. There are a couple that are very difficult though. Dick Hall 189 and Neiman 182 are tough to tell even when they are sitting side by side. The best way to distinguish those is the cropping. The turnaround time to fix those was very fast and it was completely free to resubmit them. All of my green tints are marked correctly (thank you PSA) now and Im number 2 on the Super Set register with only 1 more to go to finish the Super Set. Dallas Green and I need the No Tint version. Hasnt been one for sale in a couple of years but plenty have sold before that per VCP. If you needs scans or help with Green Tints Im available. >>



    That is what eventually happened with me. I sent the cards back with scans of the regular issue and put post it notes on the green tints pointing out crop differences,etc. I was not charged again, but it was a hassle re-submitting and wasting money on postage. Anyway, all was resolved and I'm #4 on the 1962 Super Set registry.
  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    I need a nice #139 Ruth to complete my green tint subset, if any of you have one for sale

    Nick
  • saucywombatsaucywombat Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭
    Interesting thread.

    Good to know that these cards are also distinguished by cropping.
    Always looking for 1993-1999 Baseball Finest Refractors and1994 Football Finest Refractors.
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