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1975 mini box, wrappers, and gum auctions

jwgatorsjwgators Posts: 460 ✭✭
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Not sure who saw this, but watch out for some new 1975 mini packs.

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Joel

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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    These listings drive me absolutely crazy. There is no other possible reason for anyone to purchase this item other than to reseal 1975 Topps Mini Baseball wax packs. At least I can't think of any other possible reason.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>These listings drive me absolutely crazy. There is no other possible reason for anyone to purchase this item other than to reseal 1975 Topps Mini Baseball wax packs. >>



    Well, there's another reason, but not one that would justify the final price.
    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Does everyone that sells items like this realize that they are doing something morally wrong? The description of the item in question seems somewhat nieve, though it could just be me. The seller stated that the gum and wrappers survived a 39 year journey, and that some of the cards will be sent in to PSA etc. I agree with Mikey that listings like these are ridiculous. There's enough fraud in our hobby as it is, and these auctions just keep escalating it.
    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    Probstien123 sold a box of '81 topps football like this, only it actually included the cards. But, we might get a poof for calling them kits. The seller doesn't state that it's for resealing. Our opinions on what will be done with the materials, is apparently borderline slanderous if we state it as fact. I found that out, by e-mail, from the mods. My opinion is that the thread is most likely to stick around with a title change and I hope we get tot keep it. It might avoid an e-mail froom the mods as well.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Probstien123 sold a box of '81 topps football like this, only it actually included the cards. >>



    In other words, it wasn't like this at all. I suppose that there are other reasons for a buyer to purchase the item for $177.49. I just can't think of them. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That seller's name sounds familiar, but I can't place it.

    The gum included in the auction is the only reason it went that high. It doesn't take great imagination to figure out what will happen from here.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭
    Another scary thing is the amount of bids, but I didn't look for unique bidders.
    52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Probstien123 sold a box of '81 topps football like this, only it actually included the cards. >>



    In other words, it wasn't like this at all. >>



    To clarify, this one is Wrappers, Gum, Box and that one was wrappers, gum, box, cards. Why are they not similar at all?
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    getting yummier
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We can only hope the seller unknowingly repurchases these packs after they've been reassembled. Well, at least he didn't include the O/C mint commons. That will at least force the buyer to find some decent condition commons to stuff the packs with.
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>To clarify, this one is Wrappers, Gum, Box and that one was wrappers, gum, box, cards. Why are they not similar at all? >>



    Because football cards were sold in one listing, and baseball cards were not sold in the other listing. That makes the items different. Am I missing something here?
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Big D Cards, are you saying that the football cards were sold loose along with an empty box, empty wrappers and chewing gum?
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The actual cards are not at all significant in an auction like this~the wrappers and gum are.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Big D Cards, are you saying that the football cards were sold loose along with an empty box, empty wrappers and chewing gum? >>



    Yes! It was 4 components of a regular box. All separated.

    The box was opened, the guy didn't get what he wanted and sold the whole thing in one auction. I just brought it up because, if that can't be called a resealing kit, then we can't call this one a kit after simply removing the loose cards. The term kit will get the thread poofed.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Exactly Grote. I just wish that eBay would stop allowing empty boxes and empty wrappers to be sold by sellers. It would remove any suspicions, and it would assist in cleaning up the hobby.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The box was opened, the guy didn't get what he wanted and sold the whole thing in one auction. I just brought it up because, if that can't be called a resealing kit, then we can't call this one a kit after simply removing the loose cards. The term kit will get the thread poofed. >>





    I guess i'm a little confused as to the rules here. I understand not being able to slander someone or something without actual facts that something bad or fradulent happened. Wouldn't this be considered fradulent though? What else would someone do with 39 year old gum and wrappers? I know I collect cards, not gum....I thought we could discuss things like this here, without fear of the thread being removed. I don't believe the OP had bad intentions except to warn us that there could POTENTIALLY be some "not authentic" packs circulating at some point. Again, I could be out of line here and if I am, i'll admit i'm wrong. Do we have 100% proof that this auction will be used for something bad? Nope...but is there a good chance? Well....
    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Exactly Grote. I just wish that eBay would stop allowing empty boxes and empty wrappers to be sold by sellers. It would remove any suspicions, and it would assist in cleaning up the hobby. >>



    It is not that simple. Individually sold display boxes and wrappers are perfectly fine. I and others collect them.

    The problem arises when gum is included and everything is sold together like this. I'm not sure exactly how eBay would codify that. Like the judge said about defining pornography, "I know it when I see it."
    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some nut cases even collect gum!

    Wacky Pack Gum Collection
    My 1972 Baseball and Wacky Pack Registry Sets
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes! It was 4 components of a regular box. All separated.

    The box was opened, the guy didn't get what he wanted and sold the whole thing in one auction. I just brought it up because, if that can't be called a resealing kit, then we can't call this one a kit after simply removing the loose cards. The term kit will get the thread poofed. >>



    Once the wax packs are opened, the seller should just sell the cards and describe them as being pack fresh. They should be allowed to post an image of the empty box and empty wrappers on eBay, but eBay should not allow the empty box and empty wrappers to be sold.

    I agree that a title change may be in order, but I do not agree that the thread should be "poofed". That is a funny term, by the way. This is a valuable thread because it educates the unwary collector who is entering the hobby of unopened wax packs. I was one of them in February, and this forum has taught me more than I could have ever hoped for. If we are not allowed to offer our opinions about these topics on a public forum, more unwary collectors will fall victim to a lot of the things that are damaging the hobby.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    My warning was for stating someone had sold a kit. I didn't say it was my opinionof what would hhappen. I just said it like it was a fact. This guy sold what he soldbut iit's not definitely a kit as the thread title implies. I think we are allowed to discuss it. We just can't say this guy sold a kit when he sold gum, wrappers and a box.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Got it. I agree.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • summerof68summerof68 Posts: 748 ✭
    Yes it's not a good thing to have such items being offered for sale when there are those out there who are fabricating packs from scratch. Below are two recent purchases from a known pack fabricator. The cello box was purchased just a few weeks after this person purchased the Fernando rookies--just a coincidence????
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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Do people collect these as well? It must be the artwork on the wrappers.

    Cello Wrappers
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do people collect these as well? It must be the artwork on the wrappers.

    Cello Wrappers >>



    It wasn't that long ago that a 1979 cello PACK would go for $9.95, LOL!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Do people collect these as well? It must be the artwork on the wrappers.
    Cello Wrappers >>


    15 Cello Wrappers for $50.00 ... and they are just for show ... image
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  • MiniDuffMiniDuff Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭
    I was going to say, this seller has sold this exact combo before and was surprised it did not turn up here.

    1975 Mini Collector
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  • PM770PM770 Posts: 320 ✭✭


    << <i>Yes! It was 4 components of a regular box. All separated.

    The box was opened, the guy didn't get what he wanted and sold the whole thing in one auction. I just brought it up because, if that can't be called a resealing kit, then we can't call this one a kit after simply removing the loose cards. The term kit will get the thread poofed. >>



    BigD, do you have a link from that Probstein auction? I'd love to see it.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>BigD, do you have a link from that Probstein auction? I'd love to see it. >>



    Yes and no. Here is the listing, but all the pics are gone. There are most likely a half dozen people reading this that could verify my statement. But if I'm on an island, I'll just float back to the mainland and also pretend it didn't happen. link
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    Bad, bad, bad selling the gum in a lot like that.

    BUT, HEY I like that gum collection! Hmmm.....something else for me to collect?
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>BigD, do you have a link from that Probstein auction? I'd love to see it. >>



    Yes and no. Here is the listing, but all the pics are gone. There are most likely a half dozen people reading this that could verify my statement. But if I'm on an island, I'll just float back to the mainland and also pretend it didn't happen. link >>


    I saw it when it was live and can confirm. I'm sure there was a thread here about it as well, though it may have been poofed.
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Some nut cases even collect gum!
    >>



    You know it!
    image
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>BigD, do you have a link from that Probstein auction? I'd love to see it. >>



    Yes and no. Here is the listing, but all the pics are gone. There are most likely a half dozen people reading this that could verify my statement. But if I'm on an island, I'll just float back to the mainland and also pretend it didn't happen. link >>


    I saw it when it was live and can confirm. I'm sure there was a thread here about it as well, though it may have been poofed. >>


    Here's the original thread: Link
    Note esquiresports comment on page 1.
    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Some nut cases even collect gum!
    >>



    You know it!
    image >>



    Clearly not a 10.
  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even though I'm not part of the BBCE/Probstein/Unopened Cabals I do remember that thread.
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