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Which rack pack series combos exist?
PaulMaul
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For pre-74 racks, can any combination of series occur in the three cells? Are there racks containing all three cells from a single series (would guess for series 1 only?) then as each new series come out, could it be combined with all previous series?
Any info appreciated.
Any info appreciated.
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I'll also add that I've never seen the series alternate in a rack. For example, from the header section on out, series 2, series 3, and then back to series 2.
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Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
How can you tell what series the cards are from? Is it based on the sheet number or later on the *s?
<< <i>Yes, this one I got from you has three different series (2/3/4).....
Yes, exactly~each of those cells is from a different series with the card on back of each section matching up to that specific series.
Also, there are racks with all sections from single series other than just 1st series--Steve actually just recently sold a 73 rack in which all cards were from the 4th series.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Here is a complete newbie question:
How can you tell what series the cards are from? Is it based on the sheet number or later on the *s? >>
No, for pre-1974 cards, it goes by card #.
For 1973:
Series 1: 1-132
Series 2: 133-264
Series 3: 265-396
Series 4: 397-528
Series 5: 529-660
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Yes, exactly~each of those cells is from a different series with the card on back of each section matching up to that specific series.
Also, there are racks with all sections from single series other than just 1st series--Steve actually just recently sold a 73 rack in which all cards were from the 4th series. >>
This is why you are the master Tim.
But you haven't seen racks with alternating series like in my example, have you?
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>
<< <i>Yes, exactly~each of those cells is from a different series with the card on back of each section matching up to that specific series.
Also, there are racks with all sections from single series other than just 1st series--Steve actually just recently sold a 73 rack in which all cards were from the 4th series. >>
This is why you are the master Tim.
But you haven't seen racks with alternating series like in my example, have you? >>
No, I haven't~not to my recollection. When two series are the same, they should be in adjoining sections.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Here is a complete newbie question:
How can you tell what series the cards are from? Is it based on the sheet number or later on the *s? >>
Topps issues the cards in series through the 1973 release. Usually the checklist cards for each year would
be the easiest place to see which cards were in each series. Alternately, many of the standard BBC catalogs
also contain that information.
As an example the 1970 set was issued in 7 series as follows:
Series 1 - 1-132
Series 2 - 133-263
Series 3 - 264-372
Series 4 - 373-459
Series 5 - 460-546
Series 6 - 547-633
Series 7 - 634-720
1971 Topps set
Series 1 - 1-132
Series 2 - 133-263
Series 3 - 264-393
Series 4 - 394-523
Series 5 - 524-643
Series 6 - 644-752
Usually the series breakouts would have some correllation to the number 132, which happened to be the number of cards on a full uncut
half sheet of cards, in the earlier series. Then in later series the uncut sheets would cntain double-printed and sometimes even triple
printed cards so the number of cards in the later series could be lower.
Dave
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Mixed series packs in 1973 can also be found~as Topps techically did launch the "all series" format late that year, in which both wax and cello packs contained cards mixed from all series. The all series wax packs are considerably tougher to find than the ones from series and featured a red triangle graphic on the bottom left corner of the pack. Cello packs did not bear any designation on the wrapper. I have not seen a rack in which all cards were mixed from all series, so I would suspect that Topps limited the all series format test to wax and cello packs in late 1973. >>
That is my belief as well Tim. Too bad no one from Topps will comment, LOL.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>
<< <i>Mixed series packs in 1973 can also be found~as Topps techically did launch the "all series" format late that year, in which both wax and cello packs contained cards mixed from all series. The all series wax packs are considerably tougher to find than the ones from series and featured a red triangle graphic on the bottom left corner of the pack. Cello packs did not bear any designation on the wrapper. I have not seen a rack in which all cards were mixed from all series, so I would suspect that Topps limited the all series format test to wax and cello packs in late 1973. >>
That is my belief as well Tim. Too bad no one from Topps will comment, LOL. >>
Sy Berger is still alive~I believe (IIRC) he lives in Nassau County...maybe we can stop by to get the skinny, LOL!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Dave
John
<< <i>
<< <i>Here is a complete newbie question:
How can you tell what series the cards are from? Is it based on the sheet number or later on the *s? >>
Topps issues the cards in series through the 1973 release. Usually the checklist cards for each year would
be the easiest place to see which cards were in each series. Alternately, many of the standard BBC catalogs
also contain that information.
As an example the 1970 set was issued in 7 series as follows:
Series 1 - 1-132
Series 2 - 133-263
Series 3 - 264-372
Series 4 - 373-459
Series 5 - 460-546
Series 6 - 547-633
Series 7 - 634-720
1971 Topps set
Series 1 - 1-132
Series 2 - 133-263
Series 3 - 264-393
Series 4 - 394-523
Series 5 - 524-643
Series 6 - 644-752
Usually the series breakouts would have some correllation to the number 132, which happened to be the number of cards on a full uncut
half sheet of cards, in the earlier series. Then in later series the uncut sheets would cntain double-printed and sometimes even triple
printed cards so the number of cards in the later series could be lower. >>
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
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Dave, just curious...I have an all-series empty box that has "Bonus Team Checklist in every pack" in place of "Hey Kids" on the tab. I always took this as evidence that the blue checklists were included only in the all-series packs, accounting for their rarity. Yet your box doesn't have this tab.
Can you tell whether your packs contain the team checklists or not?
I know that the 1974 packs had one variety with the green team checklists included in the pack.
Dave
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i> It's also very possible that Topps used an earlier season box to package David's all series packs as topps had a penchant for reusing packaging on hand. >>
But David's all series box DOES have the "All 660 cards available in one series" tagline. It just doesn't have the "Team Checklist" Tab.
I think it's fairly certain that the checklists were put into some of the all-series packs based on the box I showed. It may not have been all of them.
I guess it's futile to try to get cut and dry answers to these kinds of questions.
I personally doubt the checklists were in the high series. I've read that too, but I think it's a mixup and the all-series packs are really what is meant.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>So basically David's box is correct then, it's just that the box was fabricated with a tab used previously. At the time, Topps probably didn't think twice about it. >>
Yes, I never doubted it was a legit high series box, I just had previously assumed all high series boxes would have that checklist tab, but I guess not.