1922 Peace Dollar Low Relief hub differences

CaptHenway

Does anybody know an easy way to tell the two different 1922 Low Relief obverse hubs apart?

TD

Crazy4Coins

edited to add that my response was directed at the matte finish or trail dies that were recently posted. I didn't read the question closely enough, I guess. I'll have to pull out a B1 and B2 reverse coin and compare the obverses to each other.


I'm not sure if this answer is correct, but I did spend a few minutes comparing a few and noticed a difference in length of the first ray above the tiara. On one, the ray extended close to the halfway point of the "I" in Liberty, while the other only extended about 1/3 of the way out. Just a guess.

crypto79

I have always been told it was the mounds on the rev at 5 o'clock but it is subtle.

CaptHenway

I am trying to tell the two different Low Relief obverses apart. The reverses are easy thanks to the mountains and the stem of the olive branch.

ProofArtworkonCircs

<<I am trying to tell the two different Low Relief obverses apart. The reverses are easy thanks to the mountains and the stem of the olive branch.>>

I use the rays from whatever that headpiece is called. The first type has strong incuse outlines and pointed tips. The second type only has one or two weakly outlined and blunt tips. (I am writing this from menmory - so hope I am getting it right). I am puzzled as to how this all came about. The first version has strong incuse areas. The second doesn't. Yet it all seems too perfect to be hand touchup.

The first reverse has incuse outlines of the sun's rays. But these were added by hand touchup. One of them cuts into the third foothill and apparently eliminates it. Another one prevents the tail of the R of DOLLAR from extending beyond the ray.

CaptHenway

The tiara? I thought that the second ray was pointier.

There is supposed to be a difference on one of the upper hair curls as well, but I can't find it.

ProofArtworkonCircs

This variety has been discovered and rediscovered over the years. It did not take until I pointed it out to Mr. Van Allen.
He gave a VAM number to the reverse, but said the obverse was a too insignificant difference to list.

I may an attempt at documenting these in the January and February 1981 issues of Error-Variety News.

CaptHenway

Perhaps it is just a case of two slightly different working hubs being raised up from the same master die?

ProofArtworkonCircs

Possible, but I don't think so, but I don't claim to know on the obverses.

The reverses have to be some sort of human intervention I am still holding on to the possibility that the "first" low relief reverse hub was derived from the "second" hub instead of vice versa.

Nfoster76

CaptHenway

@Nfoster76 said:

Thank you, but the question was how do you tell the difference between the two low relief hubs. The differences between the high relief hub and either of the two low relief hubs is obvious.

Brokenholly28

B1 olive branch does not touch eagles talon. There is a noticeable gap.
B2 olive branch is touching the eagles talon. Olive branch also appears to be thinner on B2 reverse.

Brokenholly28