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HOF Cuts Election Eligibility 15 to 10 Years Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Bagwell, Piazza?

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HOF vote change

The Hall of Fame's board today cut a player's eligibility from 15 years to 10, which gives McGwire a maximum of two more appearances on the writers'
ballot. This makes it unlikely that any proven steroid users get in. Will it help borderline guys get in by not having a crowded ballot?

Three players with 11-15 years will remain eligible under the old rules:
Don Mattingly (15th year in 2015), Alan Trammell (14th) and Lee Smith (13th).

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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys?
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys? >>



    My thoughts exactly!

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    Getting rid of the PED's has done wonders for the game.. Congrats
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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    I hope that this improves the possibility of Don Mattingly being inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Time is running out for him.
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  • DodgerfanjohnDodgerfanjohn Posts: 491 ✭✭✭
    Mattingly played first base and his all star years were not nearly for a long enough period. He's not going in on a veteran committee vote. Gil Hodges has a better case than Mattingly and he's not in.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    10 years is enough, imo. The writers don't usually get any smarter after that (though they did with Blyleven at least).


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  • LefthanderLefthander Posts: 97 ✭✭


    << <i>Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys? >>



    I don't know about Bagwell, but Piazza definitely should be lumped in with those guys.
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys? >>



    I don't know about Bagwell, but Piazza definitely should be lumped in with those guys. >>



    Never any evidence, nor even accusation. Simply conjecture, based on position, body type and stats. Completely unfair. Don't get me wrong, I'll vilify the guy if it comes out that he used. But innocent until proven guilty, or at least until accused.
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭


    << <i>10 years is enough, imo. The writers don't usually get any smarter after that (though they did with Blyleven at least). >>



    And Jim Rice.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    I don't know about Bagwell, but Piazza definitely should be lumped in with those guys. >>



    Are you kidding? It should be the other way around. Bagwell's long time teammate was a proven steroid user. Piazza has never been definitely linked to any steroid usage. Not saying he definitely didn't use, but there is no hard evidence against him, just speculation.

    Edit to add: The same does apply for Bagwell~no hard evidence, just speculation.


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  • LefthanderLefthander Posts: 97 ✭✭


    << <i>I hope that this improves the possibility of Don Mattingly being inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Time is running out for him. >>



    This will not improve the possibility of Don Mattingly getting into the Hall of Fame. He only has one more year of voting eligibility remaining, his 15th and last, and that vote will take place in January 2015. A player needs to be selected on 75% of the ballots, and in the last election he received votes on only 8% of the ballots! There is no way he suddenly jumps from 8% to 75% in his last year of eligibility. His only chance to make the HOF is as a manager, and to do that he'd better start winning some World Series championships. He had a solid career as a player but does not deserve to be in the HOF.
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys? >>


    Because the writers do?
  • LefthanderLefthander Posts: 97 ✭✭


    << <i>Mattingly played first base and his all star years were not nearly for a long enough period. He's not going in on a veteran committee vote. Gil Hodges has a better case than Mattingly and he's not in. >>



    Agree, and I believe that Gil Hodges truly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

    How many first basemen – or players at other positions for that matter – accomplished anything equivalent to the following by the end of Hodges’ playing era:

    · All-time career right-handed home run hitter in their league
    · All-time career Grand Slam hitter in their league
    · Had 100 or more RBI for seven consecutive years
    · Had 30 or more HR six times, five consecutively
    · Won three Gold Gloves (first three awarded; they only started giving them in 1957, toward end of his career)
    · Seven World Series appearances

    Hodges was a dominating first baseman in his era – both offensively and defensively – and one of the best in baseball history. Plus, as the cherry on top of the sundae, he won a World Series as a manager. This is a compelling case for selection to the Hall of Fame.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hodges definitely belongs in before Mattingly. Donnie was well on his way to the HOF, but his reign was just not long enough before the back did him in.


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  • LefthanderLefthander Posts: 97 ✭✭


    << <i>Hodges definitely belongs in before Mattingly. Donnie was well on his way to the HOF, but his reign was just not long enough before the back did him in. >>



    One could argue that Steve Garvey also belongs in the HOF before Mattingly, but I don't think Garvey deserves selection either. Both guys had solid careers yet are not HOF worthy.
  • vols1vols1 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭
    I think this is more to help eliminate the Bruce Sutter, Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven type guys that were being elected.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think this is more to help eliminate the Bruce Sutter, Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven type guys that were being elected. >>



    Blyleven is a far worthier candidate than the other two on that list. If the writers weren't biased by W-L record (which is the least reliable gauge of a pitcher's worth), he'd have been voted in much earlier. If you substitute Catfish Hunter for Blyleven on that list, though, I'd have no problem with that. image


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  • Time4aGansettTime4aGansett Posts: 382 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Why did you lump bagwell and piazza with proven steroid guys? >>



    I don't know about Bagwell, but Piazza definitely should be lumped in with those guys. >>



    Never any evidence, nor even accusation. Simply conjecture, based on position, body type and stats. Completely unfair. Don't get me wrong, I'll vilify the guy if it comes out that he used. But innocent until proven guilty, or at least until accused. >>




    Piazza has admitted he took Andro before it went on MLB's banned list. Same confession McGwire used. It turns out McGwire wanted people to assume he was only using Andro, hiding his actual steroid use.

    I'm not accusing Piazza of being on steroids. But who honestly can say he did or didn't and prove it?

    I applaude Piazza admitting he used Andro, but I can't help but think he didn't do anything else. Which is too bad.
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