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1961 Topps expert needed..a really good fake

GrandMasterBGrandMasterB Posts: 233 ✭✭
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I received this raw '61 Mantle today from eBay and thought, fake! The printing is darker but HOWEVER it does look like the same print process as my PSA 6
when looking through a loop. The obvious part about it is the back is printed like every other Topps year but...1961. Has anybody run in to this kind of fake,
or by some slim chance.....did I run into a Mantle 1 of 1image

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Something about the thickness of the border of the raw card on the front seems off!!
  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    If you're saying that the card number "300"
    is not adjacent to the yellow "Yankees" block
    on the front, then no, I've never noticed one
    of these before.

    My 1961 card #300 is the same orientation
    as your PSA 6.

    ~


    "America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.

  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    The back is facing the wrong way. Send your fake raw card back to the seller and get your money back!
  • DrFongDrFong Posts: 326
    I believe what he is asking/saying is that the back of the raw card is reversed, or upside down if you will. In the PSA holder when the card is turned over the card number (300) is at the bottom, and on the raw example, when turned over the same way, it is on the top.

    At least that is my interpretation of what the person who started this thread is asking/saying.

    BF
    All your money won't another minute buy.
  • GrandMasterBGrandMasterB Posts: 233 ✭✭
    Yes, the back is in reverse from other 61's. What I'm more serious about is the printing process. I've never received a counterfeit before and
    was comparing the "dots" of the picture. The raw one is different but barely, there is very little bleed together of the dots. I know the
    scanners/printers are better so are these fakes getting harder to spot too?
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    I believe it is fake as well.. very pixilated and the back looks blurry and not crisp..
    very decent fake, but fake
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree the right one looks pixelated. The reverse back isn't a slam dunk sign it's a fake as it is possible for the factory to have bonded the front and back sheets incorrectly. However, that's extremely rare. How does the paperstock look? Same thickness and feel as other 61s? Take a known good raw '61 and loupe the edge of the card and compare it to the Mantle. Do the layers look the same?
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe it is fake as well.. very pixilated and the back looks blurry and not crisp..
    >>



    How can you say the back is blurry when it's sharper than the PSA 6? In the scan, anyway.
  • addicted2ebayaddicted2ebay Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭✭
    Are there any color dots where there should be just paper when you look at it under a loop? That is a #1 red flag when I buy a home made fake, but I gotta say from my iPhone it looks good.
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    it is experience in seeing the fakes you see fakes a lot with 53 mantle..
    you would have to see one in person to know what i am talking about.. it has a "picture" feel to it, and not like it was printed
    from an original die so to speak,
  • 2Clueless22Clueless2 Posts: 26
    Gemint,

    When you say "bonded" are you implying that they actually print on two separate sheets and glue them together and then trim? I am reasonably sure that the duplex process has never been used in printing cards. Its the same sheet. Am I missing something?
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