ebay seller (and former PCGS grader!) you may want to avoid...

georgiacop50

I won a coin at a very favorable price from "no1art" who claims to be a former PCGS grader. It was a standard auction, not a BIN. I was the only bidder.

Today I get a message from him stating that the coin has been stolen off his desk and he can't deliver. My bologna-meter is in hyperdrive!

lcoopie

ask for a copy of the police report

Browe

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+1

MFH

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guitarwes

Do they have a good feedback rating?

braddick

I'm guessing, this is the coin?

That would have been a sweet deal.


Not concluding an auction (by sending out your coin) could earn a negative to the seller.

derryb

Ebay cannot force a seller to deliver. They can force him to refund. If refund has not been made file the claim and move on. Your ONLY recourse is your buyer feedback and to not purchase from him again.

Purpose of requesting police report? If you think he's a liar just tell him so. Flexing your muscles will do no good.

georgiacop50

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That's a great idea! Will do.
& BTW his claim to being a former grader seems to be legit.

DennisH

I smell that bologna all the way here in Idaho.

Wabbit2313

Where does he say he used to be a grader?

Wabbit2313

Also, at $275, that is what the coin is worth in this series and market right now, unfortunately!

Treashunt

neg him

astrorat

I recently purchased a couple of cheapie coins in a pair of eBay auctions from the same seller. They sold for about $20 and had a "retail" value of around $35. A few days after paying, the auctions were cancelled with the explanation that USPS lost the coins. Two to three months later, both coins are relisted by the same seller on eBay. I am sure the only "loss" was the perceived profit on the coins from the seller. Some people have a low ethical bar. Nothing to do but whine about it ... and provide appropriate feedback.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I recently purchased a couple of cheapie coins in a pair of eBay auctions from the same seller. They sold for about $20 and had a "retail" value of around $35. A few days after paying, the auctions were cancelled with the explanation that USPS lost the coins. Two to three weeks later, both coins are relisted by the same seller on eBay. I am sure the only "loss" was the perceived profit on the coins from the seller. Some people have a low ethical bar. Nothing to do but whine about it ... and provide appropriate feedback. >>



are you willing to state the date and mm of the lost items as oppose to "outing" the seller? i'm curious.
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astrorat

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are you willing to state the date and mm of the lost items as oppose to "outing" the seller? i'm curious.
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I'm not sure why it matters, but if it helps:

1917-D Buffalo nickel
1926-D Buffalo nickel

And since I had to look them up ... let me revise the timeline to 2-3 months later rather than 2-3 weeks (time has been passing too quickly recently!).

Manorcourtman

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LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>1917-D Buffalo nickel
1926-D Buffalo nickel
And since I had to look them up ... let me revise the timeline to 2-3 months later rather than 2-3 weeks (time has been passing too quickly recently!). >>


ty
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Cougar1978

The market value of the coin per CU is $600. I would not take less than $595 for it pricing in my store BIN considering its low pop. Auction history, which I consider wholesale (last 5) show a range of 253-495 with an average of 374. I consider CU one of the fairest and most accurate market pricing tools in the business.


Yes it would have been a great deal. I doubt his story, seems like sellers remorse. He should know better considering its the summer doldrums its probably not going to bring much at auction. I would just move on. You certainly don't want to send him some hateful memo he could use against you with ebay. He should promptly refund you and I would neg him if refund not right away. Certainly file on him w ebay if not refunded you yet.

People hesitate or flake out on deals all the time, its the nature of the coin business. When I make offers to people at shows I put the money on the table in front of them. So if they walk, they walked away from cash money. In many instances they will come back when they realize my offer was a good one.

johnny9434

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+3 i heard theres another one that if you leave a negative for the seller theyll leave your name address and phony number for everyone to see

7over8

Move on - I call BS as well, but there is nothing you can do but leave a neg.

No one is going to give you a copy of a police report, even if there was one.

ms70

Whoa! I guess I'm lucky! I actually had a really good deal with this seller, but now I'll be passing on his stuff after reading all this. Maybe that was the
problem- his deals were too good!

georgiacop50

<< <i> He should promptly refund you and I would neg him if refund not right away. Certainly file on him w ebay if not refunded you yet. >>



Four days have passed and still the seller has not issued refund.

Looks like he wants a NEG. I'll happily oblige as soon as enuff time has passed to file a non-delivery report with ebay.

georgiacop50

<< <i>I recently purchased a couple of cheapie coins in a pair of eBay auctions from the same seller. They sold for about $20 and had a "retail" value of around $35. A few days after paying, the auctions were cancelled with the explanation that USPS lost the coins. Two to three months later, both coins are relisted by the same seller on eBay. I am sure the only "loss" was the perceived profit on the coins from the seller. Some people have a low ethical bar. Nothing to do but whine about it ... and provide appropriate feedback. >>



Yet the seller has no negatives showing for the last 12 months, so Astrorat, did you really leave "appropriate feedback"? Was it subsequently removed ??

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

would the OP please explain how they know that this seller was an ex PCGS grader??? The seller lives in La Jolla (San Diego, CA) and PCGS graders make very very very good money, so I am wondering why somebody with these attributes would be nickel & diming people on eBay while stating that he/she used to be a grader at PCGS???????????

Erik

astrorat

<< <i>would the OP please explain how they know that this seller was an ex PCGS grader??? The seller lives in La Jolla (San Diego, CA) and PCGS graders make very very very good money, so I am wondering why somebody with these attributes would be nickel & diming people on eBay while stating that he/she used to be a grader at PCGS???????????

Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question.

PerryHall

<< <i>Move on - I call BS as well, but there is nothing you can do but leave a neg. >>


Not true. You can expose his dishonesty on any of the coin chat rooms to which you belong. Negative publicity certainly can't help his business.

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<< <i>would the OP please explain how they know that this seller was an ex PCGS grader??? The seller lives in La Jolla (San Diego, CA) and PCGS graders make very very very good money, so I am wondering why somebody with these attributes would be nickel & diming people on eBay while stating that he/she used to be a grader at PCGS???????????

Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question. >>



…over 100 racks per year to start and senior graders make 400+ racks per year…yes…very very very good money

Erik

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Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question. >>



…over 100 racks per year to start and senior graders make 400+ racks per year…yes…very very very good money

Erik >>


The starting salary is heavily dependent on your abilities. 100G's+ to start is pretty steep -- think Keith Moon. Then again if you're only a "sorter," or what they call modern graders, the payroll isn't looking so hot.

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Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question. >>



…over 100 racks per year to start and senior graders make 400+ racks per year…yes…very very very good money

Erik >>


The starting salary is heavily dependent on your abilities. 100G's+ to start is pretty steep -- think Keith Moon. Then again if you're only a "sorter," or what they call modern graders, the payroll isn't looking so hot. >>



I'm just going off of what David Hall and Ron Guth told me at the very first PCGS grading 101 class offered at LBE a couple years back.

Erik

JeffMTampa

WOW, I won the same '54 MS66 Franklin Half in an auction from the same seller for about $160 3 to 4 months ago. He wouldn't close the deal because he said his partner had sold it the previous day. I felt screwed because I knew it was BS, but other than refusing to cancel the transaction (so he doesn't get his fees back) and leaving negative feedback (which I forgot to do) I don't think there's any recourse.

I would think eBay would keep better track of repeat offenders and get rid of them. As they say, eBay really is the Wild Wild West!

TommyType

Gotta give the guy points for creativity....Never uses the same excuse twice!

Wonder how far down the "master list" he is. Next up must be, "My dog ate it".

SoCalBigMark

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Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question. >>



…over 100 racks per year to start and senior graders make 400+ racks per year…yes…very very very good money

Erik >>


The starting salary is heavily dependent on your abilities. 100G's+ to start is pretty steep -- think Keith Moon. Then again if you're only a "sorter," or what they call modern graders, the payroll isn't looking so hot. >>



I'm just going off of what David Hall and Ron Guth told me at the very first PCGS grading 101 class offered at LBE a couple years back.

Erik >>



Did they use the term "stacks"?

Justlooking

Stole it right off the desk while his back was turned ... aw, man.

JeffMTampa

Looked back in my eBay purchase history; I won the auction for the same coin for $129 back in March. I guess the coin was returned by the first buyer and stolen by another person. I guess I should feel sorry for this poor fellows luck.

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Erik >>

What do you mean by very very very good money? That's a serious question. >>



…over 100 racks per year to start and senior graders make 400+ racks per year…yes…very very very good money

Erik >>


The starting salary is heavily dependent on your abilities. 100G's+ to start is pretty steep -- think Keith Moon. Then again if you're only a "sorter," or what they call modern graders, the payroll isn't looking so hot. >>



I'm just going off of what David Hall and Ron Guth told me at the very first PCGS grading 101 class offered at LBE a couple years back.

Erik >>



Did they use the term "stacks"? >>



…no…and neither did I…have another drink buddy then read it again

Erik

TwoSides2aCoin

When you smell bologna , just ask : " … have you any Grey Poupon ? "

georgiacop50

<< <i>would the OP please explain how they know that this seller was an ex PCGS grader??? The seller lives in La Jolla (San Diego, CA) and PCGS graders make very very very good money, so I am wondering why somebody with these attributes would be nickel & diming people on eBay while stating that he/she used to be a grader at PCGS???????????

Erik >>




The seller has stated to me twice in two separate emails that he is a former PGCS grader (though I am not sure why he stresses this fact, as it is completely irrelevant). He also has provided details of his current place of employment and I have his real name and Paypal info. Armed with those tidbits, I was able to verify that he was indeed a PCGS grader at one time.

Makes me wonder if he got fired from PCGS as a result of some ethical breach??

NebuchadnezzarTheGreat

<< <i>100G's+ to start is pretty steep -- think Keith Moon. Then again if you're only a "sorter," or what they call modern graders, the payroll isn't looking so hot. >>



I don't know the number, but Keith was making well over $100k.

LindeDad

I had a local dealer tell me he had a assistant that was his PCGS pre-grader that made out his submissions once. I told him I did my own and walked out of that shop never to return.
What they say and what they are, can be different things.

TPRC

I'm guessing there are a fair number of former graders, including a number of dealers. A friend of mine was one and I consider him to have a very good eye. It sounds like a lot of fun, and I'm sure it is for a while, but it can also be quite a grind. In addition, they are always grading the graders, so in addition to being a grind, there is a fair amount of performance pressure associated with the job (as in all jobs, I suppose). And I've heard the money is good but money isn't everything to everyone.

There are times when I think it would be great to be a professional grader, but then I realize that it might not be so great after 3 or 4 or 10 or 12 months.

TommyType

<< <i>I'm guessing there are a fair number of former graders, including a number of dealers. A friend of mine was one and I consider him to have a very good eye. It sounds like a lot of fun, and I'm sure it is for a while, but it can also be quite a grind. In addition, they are always grading the graders, so in addition to being a grind, there is a fair amount of performance pressure associated with the job (as in all jobs, I suppose). And I've heard the money is good but money isn't everything to everyone.

There are times when I think it would be great to be a professional grader, but then I realize that it might not be so great after 3 or 4 or 10 or 12 months. >>



I have a feeling it's a "young man's game" too....at least for the "non-renowned" working stiffs. I can't imagine my aging eyes being too useful after just a couple hours of staring at coin after coin.

"This is a funny looking Washington....oh, wait, it's an SBA! Time for a break."

Timbuk3

Thanks for the info. !!!

JeffMTampa

My current retirement plan in to get a job at NGC as a grader, calling everything as cleaned or altered surfaces. My plan is to keep a list of these coins and their owners, then quit after 6 months (if I'm not fired first). I'll contact all the disappointed owners of the problem coins they have and offer to purchase them at severely discounted prices. The ones I acquire I'll send to PCGS raw and sell them for a huge profit. I'm brilliant- I came up with a great idea! Oh wait, I think this eBay seller likely beat me to the punch.

I'm pissed off at this guy- I often sell coins at auctions at HUGE losses; why can he get away with it?

PerryHall

<< <i>My current retirement plan in to get a job at NGC as a grader, calling everything as cleaned or altered surfaces. My plan is to keep a list of these coins and their owners, then quit after 6 months (if I'm not fired first). I'll contact all the disappointed owners of the problem coins they have and offer to purchase them at severely discounted prices. The ones I acquire I'll send to PCGS raw and sell them for a huge profit. I'm brilliant- I came up with a great idea! Oh wait, I think this eBay seller likely beat me to the punch.

I'm pissed off at this guy- I often sell coins at auctions at HUGE losses; why can he get away with it? >>



It wouldn't work. More than one grader looks at each coin and the finalizer would stop you cold in your tracks. You would be fired your first day.

Walkerfan

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Although I will go WELL out of my way to NOT neg someone............