Has anyone seen this monster toned Kennedy half?

Sunnywood

This 1964-D Kennedy half looks awesome ... the sole PCGS MS68, and amazingly toned !!
If anyone has seen it or knows where it is, let me know !!! (Yes, I want it ...)

Goldbully

<< <i>This 1964-D Kennedy half looks awesome ... the sole PCGS MS68, and amazingly toned !!
If anyone has seen it or knows where it is, let me know !!! (Yes, I want it ...)

>>




Sunnywood, please direct all requests for such a coin and use the acronym, WTB.....on the BST Forum.

coinsarefun

I have lusted after that one since first sight years ago!!

Sunnywood

Thanks Goldbully, got it ... but I really just wanted to share this amazing image (I've been addicted to browsing for amazingly toned coins on CoinFacts, just to get a better idea of what's out there for a given series !!)

I just didn't think a Kennedy half would ever appeal to me (don't shoot me, all you Kennedy collectors !!!)
But who wouldn't like this kind of coin ?!

lostincoins

Sunnywood that is a beautiful coin, I would love to see it in hand so I could see what it really looks like.

TahoeDale

I know where it is, but I may get in trouble with Goldbully if I tell you.

So PM me

CoinJunkie

PCGS Price Guide: $15,000

I'm guessing the owner might ask more. A gorgeous coin, to be sure!

cointime

Yes, a very nice coin. It is Nick's coin.

19Lyds

<< <i>This 1964-D Kennedy half looks awesome ... the sole PCGS MS68, and amazingly toned !!
If anyone has seen it or knows where it is, let me know !!! (Yes, I want it ...)

>>

Wy would you waste your time with this?

Its a tone only MS68 as without all the purty coloring, the coin might have made MS66.

keets

while not the same date and only one sided I like this one, and it only cost me $2.50 so I'd call it a bargain.

joeykoins

<< <i>This 1964-D Kennedy half looks awesome ... the sole PCGS MS68, and amazingly toned !!
If anyone has seen it or knows where it is, let me know !!! (Yes, I want it ...)

>>

Beauuutiful!!! I love the even color of PURPLE under his wings! Nice,nice coin.

Tiny

Haven't seen that one before but know it would cost a bunch. I like them $2.50 buys but had to find anymore.
Got these two for reasonable money and threw them in my box of twenty toned Kennedys.

joeykoins

Did you know that the second JFK (65 ms) looks to be the "accented Hair"?

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD

<< <i>Did you know that the second JFK (65 ms) looks to be the "accented Hair"? >>



...nice coin, that is if it passes a Performance Enhancing Drug test first

Erik

AHFreak

It is not the Accented hair.... Although, I have started to look for the "Accent Hair" variety on a business strike Kennedy... If they do exist, it has never been confirmed....


If anyone has one, or thinks they have seen one... lets hear about it!

OGDan

<< <i>

<< <i>Did you know that the second JFK (65 ms) looks to be the "accented Hair"? >>



...nice coin, that is if it passes a Performance Enhancing Drug test first

Erik >>



Like Barry Bonds home run record, this is what the * star designation is for.

joeykoins

<< <i>It is not the Accented hair.... Although, I have started to look for the "Accent Hair" variety on a business strike Kennedy... If they do exist, it has never been confirmed....


If anyone has one, or thinks they have seen one... lets hear about it! >>

Oh, that's right. They should only be on the proofs.

WingedLiberty1957

This 1964 Proof Kennedy is not rare ... was darn cheap (2 figures) ... and I own it ...
Making it my favorite PCGS-graded colorfully-toned Kennedy Proof.

(The coin that Sunnywood posted in the OP is gorgeous, but $15,000+ is way out of my league. )

PCGS PR67

Sunshine Rare Coins

<< <i>This 1964 Proof Kennedy is not rare ... was darn cheap (2 figures) ... and I own it ...
Making it my favorite PCGS-graded colorfully-toned Kennedy Proof.

(The coin that Sunnywood posted in the OP is gorgeous, but $15,000+ is way out of my league. )

PCGS PR67
>>



WOW! awsome!

DHeath

Sunnywood, I have no idea how you discovered that image but you have great taste.

CoinJunkie

<< <i>Sunnywood, I have no idea how you discovered that image... >>


CoinFacts or the PCGS Registry.

WingedLiberty1957

This coin resides in the following Registry Set ...
Nick Shelton's Kennedy Half Registry Set
Currently ranked 3rd all time.

There is an email link at the top of the page (FYI)

keets

with this larger picture it shouldn't be too long before we start to hear from the "over-graded" crowd.

brg5658

<< <i>with this larger picture it shouldn't be too long before we start to hear from the "over-graded" crowd. >>



I believe we already did...and I agree. This one got a color bump IMO.

ElmerFusterpuck

That is a nice looking half. Don't really collect the series myself, but I do have a toned example which is nowhere the one in the OP.

PCGS MS-64:

wondercoin

Way back when at a Long Beach show, this coin came up to a dealer's table and its owner asked "3" for it. The dealer (a world class upgrader ) passed. I was sitting there at the dealer's booth and we both agreed that the coin was nice, but the asking price was simply a bit too high. About 3 or 4 minutes later, the dealer said to me that he better track down the guy just to double check the price. He found him a couple minutes later and asked the guy once again what the price was. The seller this time told the dealer "$300"!! The dealer scooped it up. He brought it back to the table and said he thought that might be what the seller meant by "3" as the dealer had thought that originally the owner wanted $3,000. It was a lovely coin and one I thought would be nice for my Kennedy half collection. I asked the dealer what he would sell it to me for. He told me $3,000. I passed of course under the circumstances. But, in retrospect, I probably should have bought the coin at the 1,000% mark up right then and there (or at least countered at $2,500 which may have got the deal done). So much for there being a fixed 20% mark up for what a dealer buys a coin for and what he should ask for it. Here, 1000% would have been a great deal in retrospect. But, they did not have + grading back then and I simply did not personally grade the coin MS68.

Sunnywood... If you would like even more details about the history of the coin, just shoot me over a PM.

Wondercoin.

jcping

What's wrong with color bump its grade? Isn't eye appealing an important factor in grading?

19Lyds

<< <i>with this larger picture it shouldn't be too long before we start to hear from the "over-graded" crowd. >>

You already did. It's the feature coin on the PCGSCOINFACT page for the 1964-D Kennedy.

No doubt, its a nice coin but the toning is masking some grade limiting hits and cuts. Most noticeably on the shield and the eagle's right wing tip.
The rims look a bit beat up as well and there's a big contact mark in Kennedy's hair.

But that's just my opinion.

WingedLiberty1957

<< <i>Way back when at a Long Beach show, this coin came up to a dealer's table and its owner asked "3" for it. The dealer (a world class upgrader ) passed. I was sitting there at the dealer's booth and we both agreed that the coin was nice, but the asking price was simply a bit too high. About 3 or 4 minutes later, the dealer said to me that he better track down the guy just to double check the price. He found him a couple minutes later and asked the guy once again what the price was. The seller this time told the dealer "$300"!! The dealer scooped it up. He brought it back to the table and said he thought that might be what the seller meant by "3" as the dealer had thought that originally the owner wanted $3,000. It was a lovely coin and one I thought would be nice for my Kennedy half collection. I asked the dealer what he would sell it to me for. He told me $3,000. I passed of course under the circumstances. But, in retrospect, I probably should have bought the coin at the 1,000% mark up right then and there (or at least countered at $2,500 which may have got the deal done). So much for there being a fixed 20% mark up for what a dealer buys a coin for and what he should ask for it. Here, 1000% would have been a great deal in retrospect. But, they did not have + grading back then and I simply did not personally grade the coin MS68. - Wondercoin. >>



Wondercoin, thanks for posting. I love reading coin lore like this.

Does anyone else find it humorous that the coin dealer said no way he would pay "3" for it (which he assumed to be $3,000) ... but as soon as he acquired the coin for $300, his asking price became $3,000.

So the upshot was ... it was overpriced at $3,000 before he owned it, but after he got it in his inventory, it was now worth $3,000 and that was the fair price.

It reminded me of my experience a few years back of having a slew of MPL owners rank all the Matte Proof Lincolns in the field based on eye appeal ... and afterwards I found a skew in the data called the "ownership bump" -- that everyone felt that the coins they owned were nicer than everyone else thought they were. You might like a coin a little bit before buying it, but once you own it, you like it a lot more and the value shoots up. One dealership I know is always saying his PR66's are really PR67's (that his entire inventory is undergraded and that PCGS messed up) ... and proceeds to price them at the higher grade level.

An interesting phenomena.

keets

What's wrong with color bump its grade? Isn't eye appealing an important factor in grading?

what's wrong is that a buyer than has to deal with a phenomenon sort of like what WL'57 described. it works like this ---- a coin with superb tone goes to PCGS which is technically an MS65 but with the "color bump" it is encapsulated as an MS66 and returned to the submitter. now the MS66 with lovely tone is offered with a hefty premium, sometimes past the next grade level in price guides. it is not uncommon for dealers to do as WL'57 noted, price their entire inventory in such a way and wait for a willing buyer to pony up. it is a strategy which must be successful because enough dealers put in practice. I call them "museum dealers" for the obvious reason, but it only takes a few sales at a show to make it worthwhile.

brg5658

<< <i>wondercoin said: "So much for there being a fixed 20% mark up for what a dealer buys a coin for and what he should ask for it." >>



Based on what I have seen a good number of "respectable" dealers doing lately, a mark-up of 50-60% is quite common for very high dollar items ($30,000+), and 100-150% mark-up is not at all uncommon for very common and low-dollar items ($150-$500). I can only wish that the 20% was a reality. And, yes, I have a great deep file of these occurrences and it includes many a dealer that post here. And, no, I will not call any of them out.

brg5658

<< <i>What's wrong with color bump its grade? Isn't eye appealing an important factor in grading?

what's wrong is that a buyer than has to deal with a phenomenon sort of like what WL'57 described. it works like this ---- a coin with superb tone goes to PCGS which is technically an MS65 but with the "color bump" it is encapsulated as an MS66 and returned to the submitter. now the MS66 with lovely tone is offered with a hefty premium, sometimes past the next grade level in price guides. it is not uncommon for dealers to do as WL'57 noted, price their entire inventory in such a way and wait for a willing buyer to pony up. it is a strategy which must be successful because enough dealers put in practice. I call them "museum dealers" for the obvious reason, but it only takes a few sales at a show to make it worthwhile. >>



I like that term "museum dealers"...I have been personally using the term "end-user dealers".

roadrunner

<< <i>
Does anyone else find it humorous that the coin dealer said no way he would pay "3" for it (which he assumed to be $3,000) ... but as soon as he acquired the coin for $300, his asking price became $3,000.

So the upshot was ... it was overpriced at $3,000 before he owned it, but after he got it in his inventory, it was now worth $3,000 and that was the fair price. >>



Clearly, the dealer when turning down the first offer of "3" already had a notion that this coin was worth much closer to $3,000 than $300. Even Wondercoin's own comments tend to support that idea. The fact that the
dealer then only had $300 into the coin certainly provided the pricing power to ask "all the money" considering he had no risk in this coin. And based on the current price level, apparently his gut feel was correct. I don't find
it humorous at all. If some dealers work on 30% or more per coin they certainly can't pay 100% of retail for it. Many sellers with pop 1 finest known coins wait for offers to approach them. The seller asked for $300. It
wasn't like the dealer offered it. Probably a number of others told the seller to get lost when they had the nerve to ask $300 for an unc 1964 Kennedy.

DHeath

I'm with RR. If the coin is left to me in a will and my base is zero, I'm still entitled to get what it is worth. What its worth is, of course, subjective.

Wabbit2313

That 1964-D is SWEET!

wondercoin

WL57... Remember, I told you this dealer was a world class upgrader. He did not like the odds that the coin would grade over MS67 enough to justify the $3,000 purchase price. But, at $300 cost, he had all the odds in his favor to try and try and try to get this coin in an MS68 holder and still make good money if the coin only achieved the MS67 grade in the end.

RR is correct that the dealer had valued the coin much closer to $3000 than $300 in the first place so his $3,000 offer to me was reasonable. In fact, had I taken the offer, I would have better than tripled my money.

Wondercoin