Master set registry gripe

1957Braves · July 5, 2014 7:29AM

I would like to know why the 1985 Topps minis are included in the mastery sets. I am going for the Yount Master Topps Set. Weren't the minis a test issue that were all supposed to be destroyed, especially the "blank back" ones. I have a hard time having cards that we're not issued in packs or sets or some other publicly-available form included as a "must have" to complete the registry. It wouldn't be so bad if Yount wasn't one of the few stars, and thus, more expensive.

Anyone else have a card similar that they loathe is in the registry sets?

dytch2220 · July 5, 2014 7:37AM

I think they should be included. They're authentic and 3+ copies available. Mastery requires significant effort and investment...and sometimes $$.

1957Braves · July 5, 2014 7:42AM

I guess. Good point. But what if a Topps employee made 25 special Pete Rose cards to pass out at his son Scotty's birthday party. So then everyone would need a "Happy Birthday Scotty" variation?

PMKAY · July 5, 2014 8:32AM

I can't comment on this specifically but there are some strange differences between some of the registry sets. For example someone here yesterday had just had a 1988 OPC George Brett Black Back Only card graded by PSA. This card is part of the George Brett master set. I don't know how these cards were issued or if there is an example out there for each card in that set but I do know that there are also blank back examples some of which have also been graded by PSA. I have an ungraded Don Mattingly blank back from that set but haven't bothered to have it graded (looks like a solid 9 to me) because it is not in the Don Mattingly Master Set.

JoeBanzai · July 5, 2014 8:52AM

Please see the thread "Oops at every level" for more griping!

dytch2220 · July 5, 2014 8:59AM

<< I guess. Good point. But what if a Topps employee made 25 special Pete Rose cards to pass out at his son Scotty's birthday party. So then everyone would need a "Happy Birthday Scotty" variation? >>

Lol. Well, I think it's unlikely that PSA would authenticate this theoretical variation. However, if I collected Pete Rose and competed in his master registry, I would be delighted to have all authenticated variations in my collection.

I get your point though, collecting a master set is difficult and in the case of a star player certain cards can be very pricey. When I was collecting Bo Jackson's master set there were a few cards that I couldn't really afford to own.

dytch2220 · July 5, 2014 9:13AM

Here is what the standard catalog says about this variation, in case it interests anyone:

"Never released for public sale, quantities of these enigmatic cards nevertheless reached the hobby market. Smaller than the standard 2-1/2" x 3-1/2" Topps cards, the "mini" version measures 2-3/8" x 3-9/32", 10% smaller than regular cards. Printed in Canada, the minis use a whiter cardboard stock than the regular '85 Topps, making the color printing more vibrant. The minis were the result of a test of new printing equipment by O-Pee-Chee, Topps; Canadian licensee. Only 132 of the 792 cards in the '85 Topps set are found in mini version. Only about 100 of each mini card are known, including about 15% blank-backs."

lawnmowerman · July 5, 2014 9:19AM

As long as it's an officially licensed card, I see no reason why it shouldn't be included in the master set. As a player collector, I want every card ever produced of the player I'm collecting and relish the search in finding them. In fact, the search is the best part. For me anyway.

1957Braves · July 5, 2014 9:46AM

I see everyone's point. I was looking at it from a cost perspective. And the chase is part of the fun. Okay, everyone has won me over. Now, if anyone has a 1985 Topps Mini Yount to sell........

bobsbbcards · July 5, 2014 11:33AM

<< I see everyone's point. I was looking at it from a cost perspective. And the chase is part of the fun. Okay, everyone has won me over. Now, if anyone has a 1985 Topps Mini Yount to sell........ >>

I had two extra, but I ripped them up when you mentioned that they were supposed to be destroyed. Thanks for the heads up.

CDsNuts · July 5, 2014 12:35PM

Not to beat a dead horse but that's why there is a Master set and a Basic set.

NickM · July 5, 2014 12:37PM

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<< I see everyone's point. I was looking at it from a cost perspective. And the chase is part of the fun. Okay, everyone has won me over. Now, if anyone has a 1985 Topps Mini Yount to sell........ >>

I had two extra, but I ripped them up when you mentioned that they were supposed to be destroyed. Thanks for the heads up.

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Threadwinner of the year.

Nick

JoeBanzai · July 5, 2014 3:25PM

<< Not to beat a dead horse but that's why there is a Master set and a Basic set. >>

Much more simple on the basic set, the term basic lets you know it's going to be simple, however it seems to that there are some inconsistencies in PSA's decision making on the Master sets. If you are going to grade a printing defect or human error mistake it really should be an all or nothing decision. The Thomas NNOF rookie is graded as a variation as is the 1958 Pancho Herrera. Fine with me but these are nothing but problems with the printing process. Billy Ripken's FF cards have FIVE variations, but a card with an entirely different players card on the reverse isn't? Don't get me started on some of the other so called "variations" because of a slightly different tint to the color on the front or minute gaps in some of the black lines.

A master set should contain all of these examples as long as there are enough of them out there. It baffles me as to why PSA doesn't recognize "wrongbacks" more cards being graded means more money for them!!?!?!?

I also submitted a 1968 Topps Game card square cornered proof and it was rejected, but the 1969-71 Supers with the square corners get slabbed!?!?!?!?!?

I am not really upset (any longer) over this issue. I am enjoying collecting and the registry and feel that PSA is the best grading company for me.

dytch2220 · July 5, 2014 3:41PM

There is the regular version and a blank back of Yount on eBay right now. That will be another gap to fill when some collector buys the blank back version and adds it to the set...

1957Braves · July 5, 2014 6:33PM

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<< I see everyone's point. I was looking at it from a cost perspective. And the chase is part of the fun. Okay, everyone has won me over. Now, if anyone has a 1985 Topps Mini Yount to sell........ >>

I had two extra, but I ripped them up when you mentioned that they were supposed to be destroyed. Thanks for the heads up.

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Threadwinner of the year.

Nick >>

+1. That was funny. Now that is a man with integrity.

1957Braves · July 5, 2014 6:35PM

I saw the two available on eBay. There were similar ones that went for far cheaper within the last six months or so, so having to pay the listed price is a tough decision.

bishop · July 5, 2014 11:47PM

Because Bob often throws away neat stuff I often go through his trash regularly. I found the two torn Younts and pasted them together. Even got one by a famous grading company

It could be worse, you could be working on a Topps Darryl Palmer Master Set

JoeBanzai · July 6, 2014 1:55AM

<< There is the regular version and a blank back of Yount on eBay right now. That will be another gap to fill when some collector buys the blank back version and adds it to the set... >>

More PSA inconsistancy. I sent in several Killebrew blank backed cards and they were all returned without being graded or even slabbed authentic.

My issue is not weather these cards belong in the Master set or not (although I would vote for their inclusion) but that some are and some are not.

I happen to be a guy who bought every oddball Killebrew card I could find. It helped me achieve the top spot in the Killebrew Master set registry. It is frustrating to see similar cards getting graded while cards I have, that often cost quite a bit of money, are denied.

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