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If you had a baseball signed by 4 triple crown winners, Mantle, Robinson, Yaz., and Williams, would you get Cabrera to sign it as well?
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<< <i>I am the lone dissenter. The four that have signed are among baseball's most beloved icons and Cabrera signing it would detract from them. >>
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<< <i>I am the lone dissenter. The four that have signed are among baseball's most beloved icons and Cabrera signing it would detract from them. >>
Yeah. I have a hard time as well adding Cabrera to that list of baseball immortals. He's definitely not somebody I would even think about when mentioning the others.
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<< <i>I am the lone dissenter. The four that have signed are among baseball's most beloved icons and Cabrera signing it would detract from them. >>
Yeah. I have a hard time as well adding Cabrera to that list of baseball immortals. He's definitely not somebody I would even think about when mentioning the others. >>
It's just that he's still playing and so far removed from the other era. It's understandable that you could have some hesitation. But a Triple Crown is a Triple Crown. And on that particular theme ball, i would be trying to get it signed every single day. 20 years from now when there hasn't been another TC since, you'll look back on it and marvel at what a crazy accomplishment it was in this era of specialization. It's almost MORE impressive than some other Triple Crown seasons.
Think about it this way. He had a better statistical season the NEXT year and only won one of the three Triple Crown categories (although he led in AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS). That's how difficult a Triple Crown is.
And by the way, he's finished in the top 5 in MVP voting seven times (won 2). Frank Robinson did it six times (won 2) and Yaz did it twice (won 1). The guy is an all time great and no question on the level of the other guys on that ball historically even if Triple Crown wasn't a thing.
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a triple crown is a near impossible feat in any era, sure those other guys are greats of the game but cabrera might just be the best hitter of this one
ask the question another way - how many triple crown baseballs have you seen that have all 5 of them? you can find the 4 signed baseballs pretty easily (despite being expensive), but i've seen only a couple 5 signed, they just aren't out there really
besides, if you have them on separate panels like most of them i've seen, you could just put his panel on the side where no one had to look at it anyway!
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<< <i>If you look at his 2000 topps traded card and compare it to now and honestly believe that his transformation was him lifting a bunch of weights and muscle max instead of roids add it, but if he ever is revealed to having done anything that ball will go down a ton. Its tough picking and choosing in the steroid era who you thinks clean and not but its a factor you honestly must consider >>
Except Cabrera has only gotten fatter. He has done nothing but rake since the first full season in MLB. His numbers have been consistent throughout that time. I would not put anything past athletes these days, particularly with the large $$$ amounts involved but nothing is really alarming or drastically different with his stats over time.
<< <i>No way, adding a fresh autograph to an old baseball will not look good and may cross over the other signatures. >>
why would it cross over? i'm sure there's an empty panel he could sign, that's almost always how these appear (mantle or williams on the sweet spot, others guys one per panel)
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<< <i>No way, adding a fresh autograph to an old baseball will not look good and may cross over the other signatures. >>
why would it cross over? i'm sure there's an empty panel he could sign, that's almost always how these appear (mantle or williams on the sweet spot, others guys one per panel) >>
That's just a chance you take with modern players. All the old signatures might be in nice blue ink then a recent player signs sloppy in black ink.
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<< <i>No way, adding a fresh autograph to an old baseball will not look good and may cross over the other signatures. >>
why would it cross over? i'm sure there's an empty panel he could sign, that's almost always how these appear (mantle or williams on the sweet spot, others guys one per panel) >>
That's just a chance you take with modern players. All the old signatures might be in nice blue ink then a recent player signs sloppy in black ink. >>
ok, wouldn't you make sure to hand him your pen or no deal, or give explicit instructions for a signing? i doubt anyone would cart something like this out to the park and pray he didn't sharpie it?
<< <i>If you look at his 2000 topps traded card and compare it to now and honestly believe that his transformation was him lifting a bunch of weights and muscle max instead of roids add it, but if he ever is revealed to having done anything that ball will go down a ton. Its tough picking and choosing in the steroid era who you thinks clean and not but its a factor you honestly must consider >>
Dude, he was a little bit over *17* years old when that Topps Traded card photo was taken. He was still a kid. Guys develop and put on weight over the course of 14 or 15 years. Miggy is not a steroid guy. He's a great hitter with a great eye. Has very little to do with guys like Sosa or McGwire.
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<< <i>If you look at his 2000 topps traded card and compare it to now and honestly believe that his transformation was him lifting a bunch of weights and muscle max instead of roids add it, but if he ever is revealed to having done anything that ball will go down a ton. Its tough picking and choosing in the steroid era who you thinks clean and not but its a factor you honestly must consider >>
Except Cabrera has only gotten fatter. He has done nothing but rake since the first full season in MLB. His numbers have been consistent throughout that time. I would not put anything past athletes these days, particularly with the large $$$ amounts involved but nothing is really alarming or drastically different with his stats over time. >>
Agreed 100%...see my post above.
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<< <i>To me it is just different eras - they don;t belong together - to me. Iy would be like getting Doyle Bramhall II to sign a copy of Dark Side of the Moon with Roger Waters. If one must, there is a sepia fine point Sharpie that might make this look ball OK - but I would not.
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That comparison doesn't make much sense at all. Bramhall plays Floyd tunes w/ Waters but wasn't a part of Floyd. Cabrera won the Triple Crown...on his own...same stat categories. Your comparison makes it sound like there was somehow different criteria and he was playing a different game. That couldn't be further from the truth. Ty Cobb won it w/ 9 HRs, you would like to have HIS signature on it, right? Nap Lajoie won it hitting .426. I'm assuming you'd also like to have his signature on that ball. EVERY era is different but it's the commonality of the achievement that makes it stupid to exclude someone based on era.
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<< <i>If you had a baseball signed by 4 triple crown winners, Mantle, Robinson, Yaz., and Williams, would you get Cabrera to sign it as well? >>
if you desire a triple crown themed ball then most definitely yes. Would not even be a moment of hesitation if it was mine.
If you are just doing a HOF ball, then 100% no, until someone gets in, they don't sign it. I've seen several HOF pieces signed by Pete Rose that owners now regret getting done by him. With the amazingly fast fall from grace precedent that many of the current players have been part of, no one is a sure lock these days.
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<< <i>To me it is just different eras - they don;t belong together - to me. Iy would be like getting Doyle Bramhall II to sign a copy of Dark Side of the Moon with Roger Waters. If one must, there is a sepia fine point Sharpie that might make this look ball OK - but I would not.
Eric >>
That comparison doesn't make much sense at all. Bramhall plays Floyd tunes w/ Waters but wasn't a part of Floyd. Cabrera won the Triple Crown...on his own...same stat categories. Your comparison makes it sound like there was somehow different criteria and he was playing a different game. That couldn't be further from the truth. Ty Cobb won it w/ 9 HRs, you would like to have HIS signature on it, right? Nap Lajoie won it hitting .426. I'm assuming you'd also like to have his signature on that ball. EVERY era is different but it's the commonality of the achievement that makes it stupid to exclude someone based on era. >>
I just meant era's, not the rest - that is technically inarguable. To me it is out of place. You view a different context. It is all personal preference.
Eric