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Utopia100
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I am having to sell some of my collection and have received two appraisals with significant differences on one item. It's a framed piece with signature cards from eight HOF legends of baseball. Curious if anyone out there can help with a better idea of worth.
Autographs from Jimmie Foxx, Tris Speaker, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Cy Young, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, and Mel Ott. The total size of the item is 38" x 45". Each has letters has a least one letter of authenticity. I listed them below as well.
Jimmie Foxx PSA/DNA, JSA
Tris Speaker PSA/DNA
Babe Ruth PSA/DNA
Ty Cobb JSA
Cy Young PSA/DNA
Honus Wagner PSA/DNA
Rogers Hornsby JSA
Mel Ott PSA/DNA
Anyone have a good estimate of value? Thanks in advance!
Autographs from Jimmie Foxx, Tris Speaker, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Cy Young, Honus Wagner, Rogers Hornsby, and Mel Ott. The total size of the item is 38" x 45". Each has letters has a least one letter of authenticity. I listed them below as well.
Jimmie Foxx PSA/DNA, JSA
Tris Speaker PSA/DNA
Babe Ruth PSA/DNA
Ty Cobb JSA
Cy Young PSA/DNA
Honus Wagner PSA/DNA
Rogers Hornsby JSA
Mel Ott PSA/DNA
Anyone have a good estimate of value? Thanks in advance!
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such as photobucket. then link it here.
I cant help any on autos such as those, but boy would I love to see them!!!
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Link to photos
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>One more try... I think this should work now. Thanks for the help ChiefsFan1st!
Link to photos >>
No problem, glad I could help.
....and WOAH!! I collect mostly football, but shazam!! Them are some serious hobby heavyweights there
You come to the right place. There are guys here that can give you a close idea or at least steer you in the right
direction
Also, the correct answer is more than $20
When appraising an item of this nature, I would start with what exactly do you have. That would be 8 very nice autograph cuts. Second would be condition, and they appear very clean & bold with the small exception of the stain on the Wagner.
Foxx $ 700
Speaker $ 500
Ruth $3000
Cobb $ 800
Young $ 750
Wagner $ 750
Hornsby $ 450
Ott $ 700
Total $7650
Now, when you put something like this professionally together it sort of becomes a one of a kind item & is hard to compare other sales. I believe that in a major auction house this piece would conservatively go between $8000 and $10,000. Of course, you would need to make sure the COA's match up with the signatures. Also in an auction, you always have that possibility of a couple of big hitters that really want that item and bid higher.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Jeff
<< <i>All I can say is WOW! I think CBD is correct on the estimate for sale, for insurance purposes I'd go at least 50% higher. >>
+1
To be honest, no direction, but...
1966-69 Topps EX+
1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
BTW: Cubby=Cub Fan
<< <i>Make sure they are not laser copies or you will run yourself into a large amount of trouble. Very common with pieces like this. >>
He listed the companies that authenticated the autos. Seems top notch to me.
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<< <i>Make sure they are not laser copies or you will run yourself into a large amount of trouble. Very common with pieces like this. >>
He listed the companies that authenticated the autos. Seems top notch to me. >>
I have seen elaborate forgeries before. I am not saying it is no good, just to be sure. If the OP got each auto himself and then had it assembled there is no chance whatsoever, but if it was purchased assembled then ink does need to be checked.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>As the certificates of authenticity vary for each signature, yet all autos are now assembled in one piece, it would seem to suggest that each sig was individually certified and authenticated prior to this piece being customized. >>
This.
Link to photos
Eric
<< <i>I would not quickly assume all genuine with those papers and from those photographs. Maybe, maybe not. If the OP bought with trust in papers alone and is unable to participate in the authentication process one becomes hesitant.
Eric >>
Are you saying that PSA/DNA and/or JSA authentication is not sufficient?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Eric
<< <i>Papers mean nothing to me, apart from the one with the signature on it. If I do not find it genuine, starting with the notion an item is fake and determining it genuine (signature, paper, ink, item signed etc.), no certificate will make me purchase. Anyone buying on the strength of papers alone, any papers, is asking for trouble IMO and will eventually find it. "Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow...but one day..."
Eric >>
So you are saying that PSA/DNA and/or JSA authentication is not sufficient in your estimation. But doesn't a reputable authentication company like PSA/DNA or JSA conduct the proper testing you described to determine the authenticity of an autograph? Isn't that the entire point of getting the autograph authenticated in the first place? To confirm authenticity in the market place?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Authenticity in the market place. Market acceptable and acceptable to others - very different.
I maintain - buy certificates alone, with no practical authentication experience, no opinion, and you will eventually buy a forgery.
Eric
<< <i>I make no statement about any company in particular - in this context I spoke of papers plural with photographs one can not see well enough to say anything.
Authenticity in the market place. Market acceptable and acceptable to others - very different.
I maintain - buy certificates alone, with no practical authentication experience, no opinion, and you will eventually buy a forgery.
Eric >>
But aren't you in fact making a statement about both PSA/DNA and JSA when you state that you would not assume these particular autos are authentic based on "those papers." Obviously, the photographs taken by the OP for the purpose of posting pics here aren't exactly clear in this case, but again, isn't the fact that each signature has already been scrutinized and deemed authentic by either/both PSA/DNA and JSA sufficient to confirm authenticity?
I'm not an avid autograph collector, but I have a number of autographs I've acquired through the years, and was considering sending a select few to PSA/DNA for authentication, so I'm wondering why such authentication would not be viewed as sufficient in your estimation?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I make no statement about any company in particular - in this context I spoke of papers plural with photographs one can not see well enough to say anything.
Authenticity in the market place. Market acceptable and acceptable to others - very different.
I maintain - buy certificates alone, with no practical authentication experience, no opinion, and you will eventually buy a forgery.
Eric >>
But aren't you in fact making a statement about both PSA/DNA and JSA when you state that you would not assume these particular autos are authentic based on "those papers." Obviously, the photographs taken by the OP for the purpose of posting pics here aren't exactly clear in this case, but again, isn't the fact that each signature has already been scrutinized and deemed authentic by either/both PSA/DNA and JSA sufficient to confirm authenticity?
I'm not an avid autograph collector, but I have a number of autographs I've acquired through the years, and was considering sending a select few to PSA/DNA for authentication, so I'm wondering why such authentication would not be viewed as sufficient in your estimation? >>
There are plenty of post-1998 manufacturer authenticated autos that I'm positive were not signed by the player and are authenticated automatically. Why would you assume any company doesn't make mistakes? There are plenty of autos I wouldn't buy, regardless of who certified them.
I would not assume anything is genuine based on papers alone from anyone. No, the fact that some signatures have been deemed "good" by other parties is not good enough for me. Starting point, maybe.
<<I'm not an avid autograph collector, but I have a number of autographs I've acquired through the years, and was considering sending a select few to PSA/DNA for authentication, so I'm wondering why such authentication would not be viewed as sufficient in your estimation?>>
Because, for me, I see too much bad stuff passed. And enough genuine early material found bad. Many folks believe Bette Davis' early pre 1940 fountain signature is a secretarial simply because the have not examined enough of her early letters and contracts and have seen way more of her post 1960 sig form, in felt tip. Same for E.G. Robinson. These are often turned away. Last time, third (?) time in over 10 years, an entity objected to an item of mine, I simply sent a full analysis, using no words, to the head authenticator of so and so and they did an immediate 180 degree turn around. Self education is KEY.
So I say, buying on the strength of papers alone, any papers, will eventually lead to the purchase of a forgery or secretarial etc.
Eric
<< <i>Eric >>
Thanks for your previous help on the auto and persistence, BTW. Just realized you'd made another post after I'd given up from the blocks.
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<< <i>Eric >>
Thanks for your previous help on the auto and persistence, BTW. Just realized you'd made another post after I'd given up from the blocks. >>
Thanks
Edit to add: I had to look - I recall the signature you mentioned now
Best wishes,
Eric
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<< <i>I make no statement about any company in particular - in this context I spoke of papers plural with photographs one can not see well enough to say anything.
Authenticity in the market place. Market acceptable and acceptable to others - very different.
I maintain - buy certificates alone, with no practical authentication experience, no opinion, and you will eventually buy a forgery.
Eric >>
But aren't you in fact making a statement about both PSA/DNA and JSA when you state that you would not assume these particular autos are authentic based on "those papers." Obviously, the photographs taken by the OP for the purpose of posting pics here aren't exactly clear in this case, but again, isn't the fact that each signature has already been scrutinized and deemed authentic by either/both PSA/DNA and JSA sufficient to confirm authenticity?
I'm not an avid autograph collector, but I have a number of autographs I've acquired through the years, and was considering sending a select few to PSA/DNA for authentication, so I'm wondering why such authentication would not be viewed as sufficient in your estimation? >>
There are plenty of post-1998 manufacturer authenticated autos that I'm positive were not signed by the player and are authenticated automatically. Why would you assume any company doesn't make mistakes? There are plenty of autos I wouldn't buy, regardless of who certified them. >>
I'm talking more about vintage autos like the ones described here rather than post-1998 inserts and such. But even so, I would hope (and expect) that an authenticating company such as PSA/DNA and/or JSA would take proper due diligence when authenticating an autograph as genuine. In any event, some interesting commentary here about a part of the hobby with which I am not all too familiar.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Just to be clear: I make NO comment about the items offered in this thread apart from two very generalized statements - how could I - I can't see those items in those images. I was certainly not inferring that papers from any service suggest something is not genuine. That may not be the case with certain individual authenticators, but that is not on the table here.
I am saying that IMO it is best to do your own work to protect yourself. I would not buy blindly from anyone based on some papers alone.
Best wishes,
Eric
Here's a site with some examples documented
website documents fake autographs