No hitters and the HOF

BLUEJAYWAY

With the recent amount of NH's got to thinking about how much weight is put into for HOF consideration when a pitcher say has 3-4 no hitters, but a +4.0 ERA and under 200 career wins. Would a pitcher with those stats get in due in part to the weight of 3-4 no hitters?

bounce

no - very small weight to no hitters

Ironmanfan

I think Steve Busby has a couple and he still needs the $15 to get in

IMF

lahmejoon

<< <i>With the recent amount of NH's got to thinking about how much weight is put into for HOF consideration when a pitcher say has 3-4 no hitters, but a +4.0 ERA and under 200 career wins. Would a pitcher with those stats get in due in part to the weight of 3-4 no hitters? >>


Of course, if we continue this Lincecum line, if you include the two CY awards and reaching 3,000 K's (if he gets there), I still don't know that he gets in. The 3,000 K plateau might give him a fighting chance, but he'd probably be sitting on the ballot for 10 to 15 years.

bishop

I think it should carry a lot of weight

Sincerely
Bud Smith

mlbfan2

No-hitters are right up there with hitting for the cycle. A nice accomplishment, but I don't think it counts for much at all in the minds of the voters. It's just one game.

If you go by ERA+, Lincecum is the worst starter in all of MLB from 2012-present.

TNP777

<< <i>I think it should carry a lot of weight

Sincerely
Bud Smith >>

i am hopeful it will get me a discount at the door.

Tim Lincecum

baz518

No, no hitters are overrated and not as rare as they seem. I think I read one time that it's actually rarer for a hitter to hit for the cycle than it is a pitcher to throw a no-no. Either way, it's a one-time performance (or a few in the case of a pitcher throwing 2 or 3 no hitters)... so I don't think it would play much of a factor at all when considering players for the HOF.

LarkinCollector

I think it would take at least 7 (and likely the 8 to break Nolan's record) to get consideration with those kind of other stats.

JHS5120

They're considered, but I doubt they carry too much weight. When it comes to hall of fame resumes, no hitters are always included on the list.

jmaciu

Homer Bailey already has 2 career no-hitters, but there is no way possible he will ever be a Hall of Famer.

BostonAmericans

I don't think it would ever be a deciding factor for anyone. While they are definitely a nice addition to anyone's ML biography, there are plenty of pitchers in the HOF who never even sniffed a no hitter during any part of his career.

SOM

But in Lincecum's case, along with two Cy's and two rings, I think he's got a shot.

Especially considering that he was a dominant pitcher for a solid five year period.

lahmejoon

<< <i>But in Lincecum's case, along with two Cy's and two rings, I think he's got a shot.

Especially considering that he was a dominant pitcher for a solid five year period. >>



The big counter to that is that he's now a mediocre pitcher at best. Like Halliday, I don't know that a five year snippet is enough.

digicat

<< <i>But in Lincecum's case, along with two Cy's and two rings, I think he's got a shot.

Especially considering that he was a dominant pitcher for a solid five year period. >>



Ok, I consider myself to be a huge Giants homer, but Lincecum's career is in no way on a HoF track.

Also, he was dominant for 4 years (2008-2011), not 5.

PowderedH2O

I know that the question was posed hypothetically, but let's look at the history of the major leagues. There are only five pitchers that have ever thrown 3 no-hitters in a career. Four of those are Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller, and Cy Young. Obviously, those four are very high on the pitching pedigree and are among the all-time best, and only Ryan and Koufax have thrown four no-no's. The fifth pitcher is 19th century pitcher Larry Corcoran. While Corcoran is not a HOFer, his numbers indicate that he was of the same calibre as the four pitchers mentioned earlier. He only pitched five full seasons before getting hurt and in those years won 170 games and was one of baseball's top pitchers (he led the league in ERA, wins, and strikeouts at various points). One could reasonably guess that if Corcoran pitched another couple of years at the same rate that he would be a HOFer.

So what am I getting at? This: For a pitcher to throw three no-hitters, they have always been pitchers of tremendous talent and skill that are way above the competition. Thus far, no pitcher with the career of Mark Buehrle has reached no-hitter number three. But, if Corcoran isn't in (with numbers that are not out of context with HOF pitchers), I doubt that the hypothetical pitcher you propose would get in either.

ashabby

I think no hitter is part of the stats. I think he needs more wins and staying power.

Tabe

<< <i>Ok, I consider myself to be a huge Giants homer, but Lincecum's career is in no way on a HoF track.

Also, he was dominant for 4 years (2008-2011), not 5. >>


I wouldn't even give him credit for 4. 2010 was a good year but not dominant. 114 ERA+ is good, not great. 2011 is borderline. 2008 & 2009, with his K/9 of 10.5 and his ERA+ of 168 or higher each year? THOSE are dominant. The other two are either good (2010) or very good (2011) but I don't know that I'd call them "great".

digicat

<< <i>

<< <i>Ok, I consider myself to be a huge Giants homer, but Lincecum's career is in no way on a HoF track.

Also, he was dominant for 4 years (2008-2011), not 5. >>


I wouldn't even give him credit for 4. 2010 was a good year but not dominant. 114 ERA+ is good, not great. 2011 is borderline. 2008 & 2009, with his K/9 of 10.5 and his ERA+ of 168 or higher each year? THOSE are dominant. The other two are either good (2010) or very good (2011) but I don't know that I'd call them "great". >>



He had a rough month of August in 2010, but other than that he was solid. I sorta forgot about 2010, as Lincecum book-ended the postseason with dominating starts. I remember that August though, as sports-talk radio was abuzz with calls of "What's wrong with Timmy!?!?"

TNP777

<< <i>"What's wrong with Timmy!?!?" >>

That horrific mustache, that's what.

DavidPuddy

<< <i>

<< <i>"What's wrong with Timmy!?!?" >>

That horrific mustache, that's what. >>



This.

No hitters don't make a resume, but they're a nice little addition.
2 Cy Young awards
2 World Series Rings
2 No Hitters

Now go get me 200+ wins and we'll talk.

SOM

<< <i>Now go get me 200+ wins and we'll talk. >>


How many strikeouts before our conversation can begin? 3,000?



(He's over half way home then.)

3BoyzTrading

He just hit 30...barring injury, he's at least half way through his career. He's on track for the HOF.

PSASAP

Throwing no-hitters in both leagues definitely helped Jim Bunning get elected, and it didn't hurt that one of the no-no's was a perfect game.