1976 Topps Baseball Wax Box
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I received the email from Huggins & Scott and took a quick look at what is in their current auction, only to find this:
1976 T BB Wax Box
I recall many searching for one, especially after the vending being on Memory Lane recently. By the way, not my box...though I wish!
1976 T BB Wax Box
I recall many searching for one, especially after the vending being on Memory Lane recently. By the way, not my box...though I wish!
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supposedly Huggins got the '76s he is auctioning from a little old lady who had a bunch of them. Saw one at the National--sweet boxes.
bet she doesn't even know who Steve is--and I bet the box will sell for as much as if it had the wrap
"Why doesn't the auction house get it wrapped before? This never makes much sense to me."
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If the one pack has loose folds, the box may not get a wrap from BBCE, in which case,
they would have to find and buy an extra "1976 Series" pack, replace the loose one
with the new one, and then see if Steve will wrap it up.
It would be a lot of trouble and some extra expense, and that's assuming all of
the other packs pass muster.
I think it would probably be worth the trouble though.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
I bought an entire run of wax boxes from 1972-76 for $6500 in 2000. Man do I long for the days of those prices! On the other hand, I like today's prices whenever I'm selling.
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<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
I bought an entire run of wax boxes from 1972-76 for $6500 in 2000. Man do I long for the days of those prices! On the other hand, I like today's prices whenever I'm selling.
I bought a 76 cello box from Steve about 2 years ago for $1,900. That seemed high retail at the time, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
I bought an entire run of wax boxes from 1972-76 for $6500 in 2000. Man do I long for the days of those prices! On the other hand, I like today's prices whenever I'm selling.
I bought a 76 cello box from Steve about 2 years ago for $1,900. That seemed high retail at the time, lol.. >>
RIP IT!!!! RIP IT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
some days i wanna kick myself in the nuts over the ones that got away.
then, there's those days when i do mental backflips over the deals i never made. whee!
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<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
I bought an entire run of wax boxes from 1972-76 for $6500 in 2000. Man do I long for the days of those prices! On the other hand, I like today's prices whenever I'm selling.
I bought a 76 cello box from Steve about 2 years ago for $1,900. That seemed high retail at the time, lol.. >>
RIP IT!!!! RIP IT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
I split the box with Mike, so the odds of that happening are even more remote than you'd think! LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
who has custody?
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
<< <i>In 1977, the local candy store on the corner (in Brooklyn) got 1976 by mistake. He was selling them for a nickel, instead of 15 cents to get rid of them. My brother and I bought the lot. >>
<< <i>Where in Brooklyn? I scored a few deals like that myself back in the day!!
<< <i>In 1977, the local candy store on the corner (in Brooklyn) got 1976 by mistake. He was selling them for a nickel, instead of 15 cents to get rid of them. My brother and I bought the lot. >>
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In PA where I grew up, I was lucky to find any cards, let alone selling at blowout rates. Living in NY must have been like cardboard heaven!
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<< <i>Where in Brooklyn? I scored a few deals like that myself back in the day!!
<< <i>In 1977, the local candy store on the corner (in Brooklyn) got 1976 by mistake. He was selling them for a nickel, instead of 15 cents to get rid of them. My brother and I bought the lot. >>
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In PA where I grew up, I was lucky to find any cards, let alone selling at blowout rates. Living in NY must have been like cardboard heaven! >>
I remember two different deals. At a candy store on 4th Ave. and 86th St. in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, I picked up 4 1977 wax boxes right as the '78s were coming out. $2 per box.
A few years later, acting on a tip from my mom, I scored a seemingly limitless number of 1980 grocery racks at the local A & P for 25 cents per rack. I opened the plastic and had about 150 loose 1980 packs.
Of course I sold it all within the ensuing six years. It was at a 2000% profit but I wish I'd kept some of them
<< <i>some days i wanna kick myself in the nuts. >>
That's something that would be great on MythBusters!
<< <i>Where in Brooklyn? I scored a few deals like that myself back in the day!!
<< <i>In 1977, the local candy store on the corner (in Brooklyn) got 1976 by mistake. He was selling them for a nickel, instead of 15 cents to get rid of them. My brother and I bought the lot. >>
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Bath Ave and Bay 31 st ...but there were candy stores on every other block
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Bath Ave and Bay 31 st ...but there were candy stores on every other block >>
I used to go to Bath Music a few blocks away all the time as a teenager.
<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
Even in this market, that BIN price is absurd~we had a thread here about what % of the BIN would be considered a "reasonable" offer. Would be interested to hear what the consensus would be for that box.
Eric, it was a classic divorce case~we both got 1/2 of the box, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
Even in this market, that BIN price is absurd~we had a thread here about what % of the BIN would be considered a "reasonable" offer. Would be interested to hear what the consensus would be for that box.
Eric, it was a classic divorce case~we both got 1/2 of the box, LOL.. >>
IMO, realistically a clean 1976 Topps BB box is probably in the $3.7k-$4.1k range as long as none of the win-at-any-price people are bidding. Several boxes were sold by H&S last year at roughly $3k. We just saw some insane numbers (good for Henry) for the 1976 vending in the ML auction. I don't see the market having moved more than
50% in 1 year on mid-70s unopened.
There are, however, stories of some recent private sales and offers that blow my numbers away. Depending on who gve me the information, some of these claims I take with a grain of salt. On the other hand, some I know to be factual and there is no doub t in my mind that the slope of the price curve for vintage unopened is still positively inclined.
And Tim, do you each get visitation on the half you dont have custody of?
Dave
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<< <i>Their is a 76 Topps baseball wax box BBCE sealed on Ebay for the bargain price of $6999.00 and if your interested. 76 Topps baseball cello box.It's yours for $12000.00
Even in this market, that BIN price is absurd~we had a thread here about what % of the BIN would be considered a "reasonable" offer. Would be interested to hear what the consensus would be for that box.
Eric, it was a classic divorce case~we both got 1/2 of the box, LOL.. >>
IMO, realistically a clean 1976 Topps BB box is probably in the $3.7k-$4.1k range as long as none of the win-at-any-price people are bidding. Several boxes were sold by H&S last year at roughly $3k. We just saw some insane numbers (good for Henry) for the 1976 vending in the ML auction. I don't see the market having moved more than
50% in 1 year on mid-70s unopened.
There are, however, stories of some recent private sales and offers that blow my numbers away. Depending on who gve me the information, some of these claims I take with a grain of salt. On the other hand, some I know to be factual and there is no doub t in my mind that the slope of the price curve for vintage unopened is still positively inclined.
And Tim, do you each get visitation on the half you dont have custody of? >>
I got the original box.
I think your estimates are accurate, David. Just can't fathom why anyone would pay anywhere close to $500 per pack for a 1976 cello.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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I think your estimates are accurate, David. Just can't fathom why anyone would pay anywhere close to $500 per pack for a 1976 cello. >>
It's silly. $500 is what a 1973 rack pack is worth. I bought a GAI 8 '72 wax pack for $175 at the last Westchester show. A '76 cello pack is NOT worth $500. Not worth $250.
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I think your estimates are accurate, David. Just can't fathom why anyone would pay anywhere close to $500 per pack for a 1976 cello. >>
It's silly. $500 is what a 1973 rack pack is worth. I bought a GAI 8 '72 wax pack for $175 at the last Westchester show. A '76 cello pack is NOT worth $500. Not worth $250. >>
And '71 racks were selling for $500-600 just a few years ago. Not sure what they sell for these days. I didn't see any completed auctions on eBay recently.
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I think your estimates are accurate, David. Just can't fathom why anyone would pay anywhere close to $500 per pack for a 1976 cello. >>
It's silly. $500 is what a 1973 rack pack is worth. I bought a GAI 8 '72 wax pack for $175 at the last Westchester show. A '76 cello pack is NOT worth $500. Not worth $250. >>
And '71 racks were selling for $500-600 just a few years ago. Not sure what they sell for these days. I didn't see any completed auctions on eBay recently. >>
The ones with the player header cards typically go for about $700 if it's a straight auction, but they are far more plentiful than the 71 racks with the Topps yellow header card, which are much scarcer (as they should be, imo), and command a healthy premium over that price.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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I think your estimates are accurate, David. Just can't fathom why anyone would pay anywhere close to $500 per pack for a 1976 cello. >>
It's silly. $500 is what a 1973 rack pack is worth. I bought a GAI 8 '72 wax pack for $175 at the last Westchester show. A '76 cello pack is NOT worth $500. Not worth $250. >>
Your numbers for 1973 racks are about 2 years old. There haven't been many 1973 racks available for about 2 years (other than that beat up McCarver one that's been listed on eBay foreveer and the questionable one with Rose showing). Given the move we've seen in the market in that timeframe I really doubt you could find nice individual 1973 racks at $500 anymore. And series also matters. I'd guess that series 4 (the one that has McCovey and Perry as the only significant stars) would be the "floor" for these at around $600-$700 (as the series 4 wax box that was $1800 2 years ago is now in the $3k-4k range). Individual racks from the other series would probably be significantly higher.
Dave
errrrr...except Steve's new buy prices for '76 wax boxes are $4,500. So if he is buying at $4,500---what is the mark up? More than what you guys are thinking I am sure....
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Just imagine if in a box of 1986 Fleer that one replaced pack had a Jordan or another major star and it wasn't in there and replaced with low dollar cards. It kills the economics of the box if opened.
Can Steve really authenticate a box with replaced packs anyway?
<< <i>I realize it is only one pack but it would seem to me that replacing it with a fresh one from another box would be a bad idea. It could impact the cards you get.
Just imagine if in a box of 1986 Fleer that one replaced pack had a Jordan or another major star and it wasn't in there and replaced with low dollar cards. It kills the economics of the box if opened.
Can Steve really authenticate a box with replaced packs anyway? >>
Unless the box has the "from sealed cased" designation, there's no way to guarantee all the packs came from the same box... so a BBCE wrapped boxed doesn't necessarily mean it's an all original box, very well could have been "put together". Even the 86 Topps FB X-out boxes they recently had with Sam's stickers on them could have been reassembled prior to being returned to Topps (even though Sam's kept them as whole boxes). Although with 1986 Fleer BK, I'm pretty sure Steve can tell if the box is original or not by the sequencing of cards shown on the front of each pack... there would be a pattern in a box with all original 36 packs.
The only boxes that you know have not been "built" are those that are from a sealed case, wrapped and marked as such. I suspect that many of the 70s boxes available these days (even those wrapped by BBCE) have been at least partially built from random packs. With 86 Fleer bsk there is a sticker sequence that allows you to have some confidence that the box hasn't been built pack by pack. I am not aware of any other 70s or 80s wax box that can be validated similarly.
Robb
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<< <i>I realize it is only one pack but it would seem to me that replacing it with a fresh one from another box would be a bad idea. It could impact the cards you get.
Just imagine if in a box of 1986 Fleer that one replaced pack had a Jordan or another major star and it wasn't in there and replaced with low dollar cards. It kills the economics of the box if opened.
Can Steve really authenticate a box with replaced packs anyway? >>
Unless the box has the "from sealed cased" designation, there's no way to guarantee all the packs came from the same box... so a BBCE wrapped boxed doesn't necessarily mean it's an all original box, very well could have been "put together". Even the 86 Topps FB X-out boxes they recently had with Sam's stickers on them could have been reassembled prior to being returned to Topps (even though Sam's kept them as whole boxes). Although with 1986 Fleer BK, I'm pretty sure Steve can tell if the box is original or not by the sequencing of cards shown on the front of each pack... there would be a pattern in a box with all original 36 packs. >>
Interesting. Thanks for the response.
I am going to do a little digging to see if many of the boxes that have been discussed here and selling on EBAY have this designation.
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The only boxes that you know have not been "built" are those that are from a sealed case, wrapped and marked as such. I suspect that many of the 70s boxes available these days (even those wrapped by BBCE) have been at least partially built from random packs. With 86 Fleer bsk there is a sticker sequence that allows you to have some confidence that the box hasn't been built pack by pack. I am not aware of any other 70s or 80s wax box that can be validated similarly.
Robb >>
Is there a very wide spread in price?
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It's really hard to have this discussion because there are people
who only see the value of the cards inside a pack, and then there
are people who see the pack or the box as an entity unto itself,
with little or no regard as to the cards inside.
If you want the box full of packs to keep and never open, then
if there is a questionable pack in that box, it should be replaced
with a good one, with no thought of the cards inside it, just that
it is an original unopened pack. Then get BBCE to authenticate
it and salt it away.
If you want the box to rip, then that's a whole 'nuther kettle of
fish, and I don't understand it at all. There are hundreds of
thousands of 1976 Topps cards out there. Why add to the
multitudes?
JMHO or course.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
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<< <i>I realize it is only one pack but it would seem to me that replacing it with a fresh one from another box would be a bad idea. It could impact the cards you get.
Just imagine if in a box of 1986 Fleer that one replaced pack had a Jordan or another major star and it wasn't in there and replaced with low dollar cards. It kills the economics of the box if opened.
Can Steve really authenticate a box with replaced packs anyway? >>
Unless the box has the "from sealed cased" designation, there's no way to guarantee all the packs came from the same box... so a BBCE wrapped boxed doesn't necessarily mean it's an all original box, very well could have been "put together". Even the 86 Topps FB X-out boxes they recently had with Sam's stickers on them could have been reassembled prior to being returned to Topps (even though Sam's kept them as whole boxes). Although with 1986 Fleer BK, I'm pretty sure Steve can tell if the box is original or not by the sequencing of cards shown on the front of each pack... there would be a pattern in a box with all original 36 packs. >>
The X-out boxes are returns back to Topps and it is a known fact that these boxes may have been assembled from several partial boxes that were returned. So, yes, x-out boxes are not necessarily whole boxes.
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As an example, I had a full box of 6th series wacky packages consisting of 48 packs like the one below. Every one had the same printing imperfections on the wrappers (black smudge in word "stickers", little white triangle in the yellow "K" in Wacky, etc.). Mixing in other dis-similar packs would have made it very obvious the box was not original.