I see lots of threads for Upper... So how about posting some Lower Canada Tokens?

Broadstruck

Here's my first Habitant which although briefly circulated really appealed to me as it isn't plagued with any issues and has lovely faded mint red surfaces.

1837 Lower Canada, Two Sous Habitant Penny, City Bank Token, Breton-521/Charlton-LC9A3, 34mm Diameter, Plain Edge, Copper.

1960NYGiants

Very Nice token. Here is my Showcase for Canadian tokens:

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Broadstruck

<< <i>Very Nice token. Here is my Showcase for Canadian tokens:

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1960NYGiants, Thanks as I've drooled over your showcase many times!

brg5658

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A fantastic collection! That Cossack is to die for...

colonialtokens

Doctor Courteau identified 5 different varieties (10, 10a, 10b, 10c, and 10d) of the small ground,
large period Habitant tokens which have been collectively referenced as Charlton's LC-9A3.

This token is Courteau variety 10a, having a rarity factor of 3 (on a scale of 1-10). To wit:

10a. Obv. Lash partly visible. Design lighter, especially at man's left leg and at the ground.
There are two die-cracks: one from border through NCE in PROVINCE, the other
also from border through final A in CANADA.
Rev. The shamrock's lower right leafless stem is lightly forked and shows on fine specimens
only. Perfect I in CONCORDIA. R. 3.

This is a nice token, the fields are free of distracting markings. AU-58.

doug

Broadstruck

<< <i>Doctor Courteau identified 5 different varieties (10, 10a, 10b, 10c, and 10d) of the small ground,
large period Habitant tokens which have been collectively referenced as Charlton's LC-9A3.

This token is Courteau variety 10a, having a rarity factor of 3 (on a scale of 1-10). To wit:

10a. Obv. Lash partly visible. Design lighter, especially at man's left leg and at the ground.
There are two die-cracks: one from border through NCE in PROVINCE, the other
also from border through final A in CANADA.
Rev. The shamrock's lower right leafless stem is lightly forked and shows on fine specimens
only. Perfect I in CONCORDIA. R. 3.

This is a nice token, the fields are free of distracting markings. AU-58.

doug >>



colonialtokens, Thanks so much for taking the time to identify the die variety and rarity factor!

rwyarmch

LC-9B1 Breton 521 originally housed in close-fitting copper shells

colonialtokens

Ever consider playing the lottery.

This token is the holy grail of this series.

Doctor Courteau identified three different varieties (12, 12a, and 12b) of what
is now consolidated collectively by Charlton as LC-9B1.

This is Courteau variety 12a. to wit:

12b. Obv. Lash-end long and showing three small curves. Period after last A not
quite circular and distant from that letter.
Rev. Perfect rim. Perfect figure 1 in the date. Large period after "SALUS" and "PENNY."
No lump between rim and garter-end. The upper leafless-stem of shamrock double-cut
at the end. Proof. R. 10.
This belongs to his Honor Judge Lees, of Camrose, Alberta.

A beautiful token. Thanks for sharing it.

FYI To all concerned, kindly create a new thread for each token, rather than piggybacking
them unto a previous post. Often responses can become confusing as to which photo is
being discussed.


doug

rwyarmch

Doug,

I'm not sure if the 1837 Habitant penny (LC-9B1) is Courteau variety 12a or 12b based on your note.

Bob

Broadstruck

rwyarmch, Do you also have a halfpenny proof Habitant

colonialtokens

Forgive my typo on line 5.

This is Courteau variety 12b.

This is the rare PROOF.

Doctor Courteau referenced the piece he referenced was from
the Lees collection. I have no information concerning how many
Proofs were struck, but I suspect it was darn few.

Great token.

doug

rwyarmch

Broadstruck,

I have a halfpenny Habitant proof (LC-8A2, Breton 522) which i need to reimage.

rwy

Broadstruck

Here's a business strike of a LC-8A2, Breton 522

1837 Lower Canada, One Sou Habitant Halfpenny, City Bank Token, Breton-522/Charlton-LC-8A2, 28mm Diameter, Plain Edge, Copper.

colonialtokens

Again, kindly initiate a new posting, because when I post this reply,
it becomes a mystery as to which specific token is being identified.

This token proves difficult to attribute by Doctor Courteau variety.

Concerning the Charlton LC-8A2 grouping, Doctor Courteau identified
varieties 2, 2a, 2b, 2c,2d, 2e, 2f, 2g, 2h, 2i, 2j, 2k, and 2l.

Doctor Courteau indicates whether the F in HALF is perfect or having
the cross-bar double cut. (This shews as a vertical mass on the cross bar.
Half-cut shews only the upper mass, double-cut shews massing above
and below the cross bar.) Your's shews the complete double-cut.

Varieties 2, 2a, 2d, 2h, 2j, and 2l have a perfect F and can now be
eliminated from consideration. 2I shews only the upper half double cut
and can likewise be eliminated from consideration. Thus we have
2b, 2c, 2e, 2f, 2g, and 2k. Of these, Doctor Courteau indicates that
both points of the right ribbon are fully struck on varieties 2b, 2c, 2e,
and 2k. Concerning 2f, Doctor Courteau mentions the right point of
ribbon to the right does not shew and makes no reference to ribbon
of variety 2g. Concerning these...

2f. Obv. Letter O in PROVINCE recut inside, right ceriph of V defective.
Tip and bottom of S in BAS defective. Right foot of first A in CANADA
on line with that of N, second A plainly recut inside.
Rev. Middle cross-bar of letter F recut inside. Ornamental leaf opposite
N in "CONCORDIA" double, flat and granulated. Garter-end clear from
outer rim. Right point of ribbon to the right does not shew. R-10
This is a proof and belongs to His Honor Judge Lees, of Camrose, Alberta.


2g. Obv. Small defect at right ceriph of V. Top and bottom of S in BAS
of equalo size. Right foot of A a trifle higher higher than that of N. The
second upright of N in UN has a miscut ceriph, at bottom.
Rev. The upper leafless-stem of shamrock sprig is blocked. Middle cross-
bar of letter F double-cut. (Same as No 1j.) R-1.

The stem of your token is blocked. Unfortunately, Doctor Courteau failed
to indicate all the diagnostic markers. i.e. just because Doctor Courteau
did not mention the stem on variety 2g does not indicate whether or not
it was also blocked. Likewise, on variety 2g, did Doctor Courteau simply
neglect to mention the right ribbon was perfect, or by inference incomplete.

In any event, MS-62, perhaps higher.

I do not have the proof for comparison, and my others are at the bank.

sorry I could not be of more help.

Broadstruck

Thanks colonialtokens however instead of starting a new thread for each token you could just quote the post your commenting on and write below it.