Grades back -pictures of all coins added

coinkat

Well the news is interesting- first stop is Canada

1910 25 Cents MS62- Nice original look with some unusual color

1890-H 5 Cents- MS62- An original looker and my expectations were met as I was thinking MS-just not sure if it would 63

Second stop- Germany and specifically German Empire

1898-A 50 Pfennig MS64 plus

1901-F Mark MS65 plus

1903-A Mark MS66

1912-A 1/2 Mark MS67 Plus

This is my first PCGS World submission whereby a plus was added as part of the grades- never had a 67 plus before

last stop- Sweden

1935 5Kr- BB for a cleaning... not sure what happened here. This was the nicest one I have ever seen-not sure what I may have missed. This coin and other Swedish coins can have a semi-PL type surfaces and perhaps the appearance could be misleading.

All coin pictures are in Sracusian's post on page 2 -thanks for adding them

JCMhouston

Very nice grades, congrats.

Zohar

Very nice. Images?

YQQ

CoinKat, do you have pictures of the coins ?
Possible post them in Raw condition?
thanks

SYRACUSIAN

Disclaimer: DO NOT ask 'kat for images. He won't post them even if he has TrueView images in his emails.....

Can I post a similar Swedish crown to the BBed one, to see if they look alike?




There. This one was raw while it was my posession and it was sold raw to coinpictures who took a better image, but I can't find it now. These 35 5 kroners tone very nicely for some reason, but no P-L fields on my example, barely unc I'd say. Any resemblance 'kat?

coinkat

Does anyone get true view pictures by email?

I like the 1935 5Kr you posted Syracusian, however, the one I submitted is not a coin I typically buy. It is very clean, white, bold and fresh with lustre that is just terrific. I was reluctant to even submit it because it is common- except when we start getting into 66 or so. I though this had a chance. It currently looks as if I was wrong.

MacCrimmon

CK, even if you did not pay for a TrueView image, ones like that 67+ may show up in the pop report under #300132.

It seems the nicer coins are slowly being imaged to build a population/image library. GL, and nice grouping.

marcmoish

kool kat! ...but you gotta add pics to go with the news

coinkat

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The one that failed... I thought it was one terrific coin.

Zohar

How did this fail???

coinkat

92- cleaned.

I did not see signs of cleaning- however, I admit I may have missed something. The reason I am posting this coin is because some Swedish coins can have blazing lustre-this is one of them. This is an amazing coin, bought from a very respectable Coin Firm at a premium price. This is the finest example I have seen- I suppose I have not seen enough... LOL

Zohar

MacCrimmon

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Dear PCGS, Sorry, but I'm not seeing a "cleaned" coin either. If you replace "max" for "large" in the image below it will be a XXL pizza pie size which shows die striations on the portrait. Now seriously, if this was judged to be cleaning, a few graders need to be shown the door.


***http://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/29728864_max.jpg*** --- knock off the *** on either side, and copy/paste to your URL.

coinkat

Thanks Zohar... that really helps.

Hopefully Syracusian will notice that a picture made it to one of my grading threads...

edited to add: We're up to two now...

MacCrimmon

coinkat, I see your screamer 1912-A 1/2 Mk has made the "marquee" page under the pop report.

coinkat

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Thanks Mac... I will look

JCMhouston

Man, I know not to grade from a picture, but I'm not seeing cleaned in that one.

Stork

I'm not seeing a cleaning, though pictures are hard. What is that over the second 'o' in Kroner? On my little screen and no glasses it looks a little funny there, like lettering. Could it be a bit of graffiti? Or are my eyes playing tricks?

mnemtsas2

I don't see anything either. That being said I've had a few coins come back "cleaned" (that I swore were not) that had a similar discoloration I am seeing on that coin. For example, the color is a bit off right in the middle of the shield on the reverse and I see something similar on the obverse down his cheek/jaw and the neck under his ear. That being said it could all be a lighting artifact.

wybrit

I'm surprised at the "cleaned" verdict here too.

OGDan

Check out the secure plus image:


I had a similar situation happen where a coin was called cleaned. I still don't totally agree but 2K pointed out that viewing the secure plus image can sometimes help to show what the graders might have seen. Looking at this image, I see what looks to be field disturbance in front of the portrait on the obverse. Still...this is just an image but maybe a place to look over carefully.

nicholasz219

I'm really not seeing anything standing out as cleaned in these pictures either. Shame, nice coin with peripheral toning.

marcmoish

the trueview does show what looks like a cleaning (remnants of..) - there would be no way to tell from the picture above which is an amazing photo - I still believe it probably should/could be graded but what do we mere mini mortals know.
Don't be hard on yourself - many would have missed that or chanced it.

EVillageProwler

If you look also at the reverse left field, you'll see faint *hint* of parallel lines. If they're actually there, no way we can tell if they are from a light wipe, or from natural die striae...

Actually, I think I see them elsewhere on the reverse too, but I'm unsure if it's just my mind seeing what I'm trying to find.

EVP

coinkat

The group came back so some further commentary seems reasonable.

Before I get to the 5Kr, it seems reasonable to comment on some of the others. The German Empire coins all had the Eagles facing 1898A 50 Pfennig I though would grade 63- shot 64. After seeing it again and in the holder, I was too conservative. The coin has a slight tilt in the holder, with the Eagle showing on the front. The color and reflectivity was far more impressive than I remember- 64 plus was the grade and I agree.

The 1912A I though was a coin toss between 67 and 68. The 1903A Mark I was between 66 and 67- and between 65 and 66 for the 1901F.

Now for the 5Kr. I thought a lock 66 based on appeal and the overall appearance. This date is well known for excessive marks and is a challenge to find in a high grade. I took another look at this one before posting my comments with a 16x glass and a microscope. There is some die polish- we know it is die polish as the lines are raised. There is no no evidence of wiping as no hairlines were detected that compromise the surfaces on either side. The issue that PCGS may have had (or at least the only thing I can detect) is the neck area of the portrait which has die polish and striae which effects the reflectivity which is not consistent with the cheek. After a second look, I agree that Mac's assessment is spot on. I agree with him.

I suppose the point of commenting further is not to create controversy or sound like a poor sport, but to remind collectors that grading is an opinion. As I have expressed in other threads, grading is not a math problem with an absolute answer. Some opinions are better than others. I suppose subjectivity even plays a role in determining whether a coin even grades-

Aethelred

A photograph can hide a whole host of sins, but based on the photo alone I see no sign of cleaning. I would try it "across the street" and see what they say.

SYRACUSIAN

Syracusian saw the first photos ever in a coinkat post!

As such, I feel compelled to give a little hand and post the rest on your behalf 'Kat.


We saw the 5 kronor, no need to repost it, and I too concur with the others: no signs of cleaning from the image.
Not absolutely certain if the coin hasn't been professionally dipped at some point,
it's the rim toning that is beginning to form itself that gives it away.

In old smaller Anacs slabs, dipped coins would start like this and would much later become superbly colored toned coins,
starting from blast white with dripping luster. It was the reaction of the slight air that was getting in
with some of the components of the white plastic small holder inside the slab.

To me, these still fall into NT , as they were unintentional, besides they look -and are- 100% NT, they were formed over time,
with a chemical reaction, different but equivalent to the one that affected so nicely
so many coins stored in Whayte Raymonds albums for years, intact and away from humidity.




1912-A 1/2 mark PCGS MS67+ pop 1



1903-A mark PCGS MS66 pop 1




1901-F mark PCGS MS65+ pop 1



1898-A 50 pfenig MS64+ pop 1



1874-A mark PCGS MS63 pop 3




Canada 1910 25 cents PCGS MS62 pop 12



Canada 1895-H 5 cents PCGS MS62 pop 16

SYRACUSIAN

We can safely assume, that our OP enjoys original "crust" on his coins.

coinkat

Thanks Dimitri-terrific job in posting the images here.

The image of the 1890H 5 CENTS is spot on. I like the original look of this and clearly understand it may not be for everyone. The color of the 1910 is a tad more vibrant in hand as is the 1898A 50 Pfennig. PCGS really did an excellent job with the pictures

coinkat

Thought this would be an interesting thread worthy to resurrect for those that missed it 6 years ago. Grading from an image is not as easy as one might think

SYRACUSIAN

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