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Macedonia: bronze AE15, post-Alexander III interregnum, ca. 288-277 BC

Macedonia: bronze AE15, post-Alexander III interregnum, ca. 288-277 BC

Obverse- facing gorgon at center of ornamented Macedonian shield.
Reverse- B-A to left and right of Macedonian helmet, caduceus below.

I was already a fan of sandy "desert" patina when I spotted this, and had flirted a little with inexpensive Greek bronze and small silver. This coin begins a new "serious" Greek collection for me, and a brand new avenue of learning. Not only does it have loads of character, but it was also quite inexpensive. And it has an illustrious history, since it was issued just after the death of Alexander the Great. I'm becoming surprised at the amount of affordable ancient Greek coins available on my limited budget. This one didn't quite make the "under $50" price tier but it was significantly less than $100. Maybe once in a while I'll be able to splurge and get a nice big fat tetradrachm or two, but most of the time I'll be buying attractive small pieces like this. The fact that many of these pieces are teeny-tiny doesn't bother me much. In fact, one has to admire the ancient engravers all the more for what they did with such a small working area! This one isn't as tiny as some of the silver obol fractions and such.

15 mm, 4.1 g. Ex-bargainbinancients.com, 5/15/14.

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Original seller page

When posted, this coin was part of my new Ancient Greek & Roman Provincial Collection.

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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a neat design. Question - does this "sandy" look get ever cleaned or it is generally left in its original state?
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    << <i>What a neat design. Question - does this "sandy" look get ever cleaned or it is generally left in its original state? >>



    its a good thing, like toning, see how it makes the high points really pop

    so much so that people fake desert "patina" by gluing sand on the coin
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    JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    That's sort of a happy looking Gorgon.
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    its kind of similar to the ones seen on the apollonia pontica silver coins circa 450-350 (300?)BC, some of them are pissed looking and others have the tongue out and it seems jokingly


    this one is showing the aegis or breastplate of Athena, Alexander also wore this piece

    btw the B-A I imagine stands for BASILEUS ALEXANDROY (of King Alexander)

    fantastic coin if it's a lifetime issue, first one I've seen but that's not saying much since I've only been doing this since last May
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    determineddetermined Posts: 771 ✭✭✭
    There is an excellent old article, The Shield/Helmet Bronze Coinage of Macedonia, by Ralph W. Mathisen in SAN, Journal of the Society for Ancient Numismatics, Vol. X, No. 1, 1979.

    He dates this Gorgon type to c. 288-277 BC. And about a coin exactly like lordmarcovan's coin, with the same markings, he adds:

    "The specimens of this issue with caduceus marking exhibit a high proportion of vertical die alignment, which could indicate a civic rather than a regal mint. The mint city may have been Neapolis, where the Gorgonian was very commonly used."

    BTW, the symbol opposite the caduceus on lordmarcovan's coin is a merged NK. The second vertical upright of the N is also the shared upright of the K. The K part is off the coin.

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    are the caduceus and NK monograms simply magistrate or moneyer symbols/initials?
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,251 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's sort of a happy looking Gorgon. >>

    Is, isn't it? Very whimsical. Looks like a cartoon character. And unlike many, I usually don't care for the gorgon-faced designs much. But this one made me smile.



    << <i>... does this "sandy" look get ever cleaned or it is generally left in its original state? >>

    I'm sure it does, but those who are smart clean the coin just enough and then back off. As NC said, the right patina on an ancient bronze is like toning on a silver piece- it can greatly enhance its value. I love this kind of toning but also like some of the green patinas, too.

    Determined- thanks for the info. So ca. 288-277 BC would certainly make this a posthumous issue, then. I guess the denominaton would be quarter-obol?

    (I have SO much to learn.)

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    nicholasz219nicholasz219 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭
    I have a Thracian obol of silver but it was a gift from Fiona's mother and is not fully attributed. After giving me my daughter it is probably the second nicest thing she ever did for me. Note to self: add pictures.
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    determineddetermined Posts: 771 ✭✭✭
    The shield/helmet bronzes minted in the period 288-277 BC fall under the anonymous Interregnum period. The period without a king or ruler. It was the time between when Demetrius Poliorcetes was pushed out in 288 BC until Antigonos Gonatas took rulership in 277 BC.

    And so the Interregnum shield/helmet bronzes were issued anonymously. Unlike the bronzes under the rulers which usually had their monogram on the shield. This adds to Mathisen saying that this coin may be a civic issue rather than a regal one because there was no ruler at that time.

    BTW, I think it's a great idea for a collection of inexpensive Greek bronze and small silver. There's so much out there.

    If you haven't been there yet this page of Reid Goldsborough's is a good start on the bronzes of Alexander the Great.

    Alexander the Great Bronzes
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brian with BBA said this coin was one of several stolen at a recent show, so I got a refund and a $20 credit, which was nice of him.

    But that stinks. *@%#ing thieves. image Stinks more for Brian than for me, though I would certainly have liked to have seen this coin.

    I will be purchasing a small silver obol instead, which has some old collection cabinet toning. Stay tuned.

    Funny- that's the second time in about two months that I've gotten a refund because a dealer had my purchase stolen at a show. Both times I think I ended up better off for it, though.

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