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1955 Clemente RC PSA 9?

thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
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No idea how this one gets graded a 9. Price reflects this. Last 9 RC sold publicly for 36k. This is one of the hottest cards out there and it sells (w the juice) for just below the 2006 levels.

Huh?
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  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yuck.

    6 or 7 would be more fitting...
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    a VCP average dragger downer.
  • bouncebounce Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭
    can't tell if you think it's overgraded? i think it is, there's a couple soft corners and the printing is ever so slightly off as with most of them - some are better than others, i think this one is middle, it's not high end. just based on eye test, i would put this thing at an 8, not a 9.

    to be clear, it's an awesome freaking card regardless and that's still a pretty good number on it at auction.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    I think the corners are better than the photo shows, but the front images looks ind of snow to me.
  • cardcountrycardcountry Posts: 571 ✭✭✭
    It ended? I thought it said it earlier today that it ended on 6/04. I just got the catalog today. Weird.
    Jeff Foy/Dave Foy
    Card Country
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    upper left corner looks dinged. without knowing better by handling such a card, i'd wager it's a 7.5 in today's grading room.

    on the bright side, it's good to see the value of old PSA flips are skyrocketing. image
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>can't tell if you think it's overgraded? i think it is, there's a couple soft corners and the printing is ever so slightly off as with most of them - some are better than others, i think this one is middle, it's not high end. just based on eye test, i would put this thing at an 8, not a 9.

    to be clear, it's an awesome freaking card regardless and that's still a pretty good number on it at auction. >>



    If this was a strong 9, it would have sold for much, much higher than 29K+juice.

    I think it's very overgraded. Bottom left corner the fisheye and print blemish in the green fill area. It's an 8 at best. I was just surprised--it's rare to see even a picture of a 9 let alone an auction for one, and this one comes up.

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  • SlabbedSlabbed Posts: 306
    Buy the card not the number.
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bottom edge of the case looked altered?
    It was an old case and a 30,000+ card. Why not a new case if it had a hint of gray?
    Seems odd.
    Also card is a 5-6 so another red flag.
    Switched out?

    After looking at it more.
    That case is frosty
  • cardcountrycardcountry Posts: 571 ✭✭✭
    Totally agree Dan. There hasn't been one sold publicly (according to VCP) since 2006. With 8's now bringing $20k and the 10 bringing $432k, I could easily imagine a nice 9 (with proper marketing) bringing $100k.

    Jeff
    Jeff Foy/Dave Foy
    Card Country
    Graded stars 1950's-1980
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Buy the card not the number. >>



    Exactly.
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  • scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
    I'm curious as to why the auction ended early . . . IMO there is no chance that it sold for $30k.

    The huge scans and white background were definitely not helping the presentation.

    Scott
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I'm confused as well....I just got the catalog today....what is going on!?!?!?!??!!
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is this a compromised card?

    Perhaps they feel it is not the card that graded mint.

    This is clearly not a mint card.



  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    It is supposed to be lot #179 in the current auction, yet lot #179 is missing. This is really confusing!
  • hdunkhdunk Posts: 76 ✭✭
    I don't see what is confusing. It is obvious that the card was pulled by Clean Sweep, most likely information arose that indicated that card/slab was bad or an ownership dispute once the auction started.

    For whatever reason the auction for the card was stopped.

    Perhaps they should state as much on their website to keep some from being confused.

  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yuck.

    6 or 7 would be more fitting... >>



    +1

    I'm normally indifferent to this sort of thing, but that card making the rounds in a PSA 9 slab should make PSA cringe.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    There was a 9oc in Huggins and Scott a few years ago that was mislabled a 9, and they wouldn't get reholdered. Even that one looked better than this.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a real old flip, too.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • everythingcollectoreverythingcollector Posts: 47
    something ant right that card needs to be baught back by PSA or somebody tampered with that holder and put a lesser grade clemente in that holder. that card is a 7 at best
  • ClockworkAngelClockworkAngel Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭
    Corners are horrible
    Centering a bit tilted
    Fish eyes and print marks everywhere
    Edges look really scruffy.

    Besides that a beautiful 9!

    I'm also trying to figure out how and why a card of this magnitude would go to "Clean sweep auctions". Most likely because none of the bug auction houses would take it knowing it's tampered.
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  • cardcountrycardcountry Posts: 571 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Corners are horrible
    Centering a bit tilted
    Fish eyes and print marks everywhere
    Edges look really scruffy.

    Besides that a beautiful 9!

    I'm also trying to figure out how and why a card of this magnitude would go to "Clean sweep auctions". Most likely because none of the bug auction houses would take it knowing it's tampered. >>




    So you're saying I shouldn't have bought it? LOL

    Jeff
    Jeff Foy/Dave Foy
    Card Country
    Graded stars 1950's-1980
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I question the legitimacy of that holder. Does the label look right? It's hard to tell the holder frost due to the light background. Hopefully they pull the card and put it out of its misery.
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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Kudos to Clean Sweep for pulling the card due to some "authenticity" issues! Rather than ignoring the issue like some AH's, they addressed it.
  • ergoismergoism Posts: 315 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't see what is confusing. It is obvious that the card was pulled by Clean Sweep, most likely information arose that indicated that card/slab was bad or an ownership dispute once the auction started.

    For whatever reason the auction for the card was stopped.

    Perhaps they should state as much on their website to keep some from being confused. >>



    After contacting them, they informed me that the card was pulled due to questionable authenticity.
  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I don't see what is confusing. It is obvious that the card was pulled by Clean Sweep, most likely information arose that indicated that card/slab was bad or an ownership dispute once the auction started.

    For whatever reason the auction for the card was stopped.

    Perhaps they should state as much on their website to keep some from being confused. >>



    After contacting them, they informed me that the card was pulled due to questionable authenticity. >>



    +1 One of the best "card" investigators.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is amusing is that the card in the holder was still bid up to 30k no matter what it looked like.

    PSA's brand is very strong.

  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    if there was something "questionable" about it, wouldn't they have been able to identify the problem before it was ever sent to auction? or did it require further suspicion?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>if there was something "questionable" about it, wouldn't they have been able to identify the problem before it was ever sent to auction? or did it require further suspicion? >>



    +1

    The consignor is in a pickle. Clearly a case of being enamored with the flip and not the card.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭
    Kind of embarrassing that the card is prominently featured on both the front and back covers of the catalog. Doh!
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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