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Lusitania Medal question,
baseballjeff
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Hello everyone,
So last night I watched an episode of Pawn Stars and on it was an amazing medal that I really want, and feel the urge to try and add one to my collection.
I was wondering if anyone has one? There thoughts on it? And lastly, would PCGS grade one? As far as I know, there are 2 different issues of the coin. The rarest being the German issued one:
Link to the more rare German medal,
Then here is a link to the one made in Great Britton, the more common one:
Link to the more common one, Great Britton
Ideally, I'd like to get one of each with the original packaging, though I would have to have them slabbed in a PCGS holder.
Thank you!
Jeff
So last night I watched an episode of Pawn Stars and on it was an amazing medal that I really want, and feel the urge to try and add one to my collection.
I was wondering if anyone has one? There thoughts on it? And lastly, would PCGS grade one? As far as I know, there are 2 different issues of the coin. The rarest being the German issued one:
Link to the more rare German medal,
Then here is a link to the one made in Great Britton, the more common one:
Link to the more common one, Great Britton
Ideally, I'd like to get one of each with the original packaging, though I would have to have them slabbed in a PCGS holder.
Thank you!
Jeff
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Although I have small bits of the Lusitania wreck (hull steel) and many larger bits of Mauretania (turbine blades, prop metal, carvings, moldings, cast porthole dogs etc.), I never collected the Goetz medals or is counterpart(s). I won't bore everyone to death with the images and data from but it seems you might enjoy these artifacts so the link is Here for the Lusitania/Mauretania artifact thread. These medals were not awarded to the crew of U-20. I remember the spelling of Mai/May being important, the initial incorrect date of the 5th, and using perhaps a magnet (originals were bronze or iron depending on variety IIRC, just like the copies) - there are more tells of course in the details of the text and edge (signature for one). Perhaps this info at the IWM linked blow - scroll down after clicking for some good pics and specs of the German original. There is the German redux by Goetz in 1917 or so, and the British copies from 1915/16 and the American ones - there is tremendous information in the object descriptions but you'll need to scroll even further under image. Still further information will be found beneath that - under "label". Same for the Selfridge copies; I believe it is worthwhile to read all for each.
Luistania Goetz Medals International War Museum
And this thread here at my old haunting grounds:
Lusitania Medals at Encyclopedia Titanica
PM with specific questions if this does not help. I have a few Lusitania friends/authors who might be willing to share information if not offer you one for purchase. I may be able get a lead on one for you.
Eric Longo
Mauretania researcher & collector/artifact authenticator
Lusitania Medal Resource
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Which I found here:
Pawn Stars Gets value Very Wrong
Best wishes,
Eric
<< <i>Buy from a reputable source. There are counterfeits out there. >>
Spot on. Many counterfeits as well as many varieties. Originals by Goetz exist in more than one metal.
Eric
hey Capt, is there a distinction between copies and counterfeits?? I suppose the British medals made of Steel are propaganda "copies" and you are saying that there are "counterfeits" made of Bronze but I wasn't sure, thought I'd ask.
<< <i>There are counterfeits out there.
hey Capt, is there a distinction between copies and counterfeits?? I suppose the British medals made of Steel are propaganda "copies" and you are saying that there are "counterfeits" made of Bronze but I wasn't sure, thought I'd ask. >>
The contemporary copies made for propaganda purposes are legitimate numismatic items. I'm talking modern reproductions.
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I was wondering if anyone has one? There thoughts on it? And lastly, would PCGS grade one? As far as I know, there are 2 different issues of the coin. The rarest being the German issued one:
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Round does not equal coin.
Eric
<< <i>Then here is a link to the one made in Great Britton, the more common one:
Link to the more common one, Great Britton
Ideally, I'd like to get one of each with the original packaging, though I would have to have them slabbed in a PCGS holder. >>
I like how this one comes with the original holder and flyer issued by the Lusitania Souvenir Medal Committee, 32, Duke Street, Manchester Square W. 1.
There are contemporary US medals as well made by Gustav G. Sandstrom (June 4, 1897 – April 4, 1984) and Clarence Mahood of Warren County, Pennsylvania. The American version is rarer than the British version.
<< <i>It is a medal, and there are more than two varieties easily. I think there are two or more varieties of just the early German. >>
Goetz's German medals come in two dates, May 5 and May 7, with the earlier date being an error.
<< <i>Goetz style unusually seems to overpower most of his designs in an odd way. >>
His style seems to have a painter's flow more than other medallists.