Blue flip help please!

CocoaBeachDodgers

I just picked this up tonight, but can you tell me exactly what the flip is telling me?
Is the auto NM-MT 8 or is the post card NM-MT 8?

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Ironmanfan

telling you that the autograph is authentic

IMF

hockeycrazy

The grade represents the authenticity and quality of the autograph only.

The grade has no relation to the card itself. The card could be altered or it could be fine etc.

Ironmanfan

<< <i>telling you that the autograph is authentic and graded at an 8

IMF >>

yankeeno7

It doesnt always seem clear HOW they grade the auto. It is not just how bold the auto is or that it is not smudged.

Dboneesq

Agree with what has been said. The only thing PSA did was grade the auto an "8". Postcard could be real, reprint or fake.

CocoaBeachDodgers

Thank you all. So, would it be better to have an autograph that is "Authentic" or graded "NM-MT8"?

yankeeno7

Personally, I prefer red flip authentic for the reason that I know the card is unaltered and real.

WhiteTornado

<< <i>Personally, I prefer red flip authentic for the reason that I know the card is unaltered and real. >>



This topic of blue vs red flips and autos has always confused me, so apologies if this is a dumb question.

So if that card pictured by the OP were in a red flip, would that be saying both: (1) the auto is graded as NM-MT 8, and (2) the card is indeed genuine and unaltered? Is there a type of flip where you get both the auto graded and the card graded?

Thanks in advance.

yankeeno7

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<< <i>Personally, I prefer red flip authentic for the reason that I know the card is unaltered and real. >>



This topic of blue vs red flips and autos has always confused me, so apologies if this is a dumb question.

So if that card pictured by the OP were in a red flip, would that be saying both: (1) the auto is graded as NM-MT 8, and (2) the card is indeed genuine and unaltered? Is there a type of flip where you get both the auto graded and the card graded?

Thanks in advance. >>



Red Flips
-Authenticate the card is unaltered
-ONLY grade the card
-ONLY will give authentic designation to the auto and will not grade the auto

Blue Flips
-does not authenticate the card is unaltered (it could be either)
-ONLY grades the auto or you can choose the "authentic" designation

Neither will grade both the card and the auto, unfortunately

WhiteTornado

yankeeno7, thanks, I think I finally have it down now

yankeeno7

no problem!

CocoaBeachDodgers

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<< <i>Personally, I prefer red flip authentic for the reason that I know the card is unaltered and real. >>



This topic of blue vs red flips and autos has always confused me, so apologies if this is a dumb question.

So if that card pictured by the OP were in a red flip, would that be saying both: (1) the auto is graded as NM-MT 8, and (2) the card is indeed genuine and unaltered? Is there a type of flip where you get both the auto graded and the card graded?

Thanks in advance. >>



Red Flips
-Authenticate the card is unaltered
-ONLY grade the card
-ONLY will give authentic designation to the auto and will not grade the auto

Blue Flips
-does not authenticate the card is unaltered (it could be either)
-ONLY grades the auto or you can choose the "authentic" designation

Neither will grade both the card and the auto, unfortunately >>




This helps a lot, makes it much more understandable.
What I still do not understand though, is the numeric auto grade compared to an authentic designation on the blue flips?
Value wise or more desirable speaking, it is obvious that the higher the grade, the better. But where does the "authentic' fall?
Is it like in between a 7 and an 8? or a 5 and a 6?...etc......?

lawnmowerman

Now I'll help confuse even more haha.

I have altered cards slabbed with a red flip with the auto "graded" authentic.

Back in the day before the blue flip, they would slab altered cards deemed authentic with no grade.

mrmint23

<< <i>Now I'll help confuse even more haha.

I have altered cards slabbed with a red flip with the auto "graded" authentic.

Back in the day before the blue flip, they would slab altered cards deemed authentic with no grade. >>



Actually they still slab altered cards with a red flip but only authentic. So neither the auto nr card receives a number grade.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>Is there a type of flip where you get both the auto graded and the card graded? >>


Yes, but not from PSA.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>What I still do not understand though, is the numeric auto grade compared to an authentic designation on the blue flips?
Value wise or more desirable speaking, it is obvious that the higher the grade, the better. But where does the "authentic' fall?
Is it like in between a 7 and an 8? or a 5 and a 6?...etc......? >>


Here are the autograph grading standards: Link

From what I've seen, the grades on blue flips don't impact pricing significantly unless it's a 10 from a rare/semi-rare authentic auto. A clean, sharp auto w/Authentic will sell for the same as an 8 or 9, a faint or broken auto w/Authentic will sell for significantly less.

yankeeno7

<< <i>Now I'll help confuse even more haha.

I have altered cards slabbed with a red flip with the auto "graded" authentic.

Back in the day before the blue flip, they would slab altered cards deemed authentic with no grade. >>



Right on.

I have one card that I had submitted for grading and it came back trimmed. (although I still dont think its trimmed) So I decided to have it signed, sent it in, and slabbed authentic under the red flip...but as LMM said, that was before blue flips existed.

If I remember correctly, they were not slabbing cards that were altered but is questionable that some got through....again, before the blue flips existed.

lawnmowerman

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If I remember correctly, they were not slabbing cards that were altered but is questionable that some got through....again, before the blue flips existed. >>



Yeah I agree. I'm sure some got through.

I have two Emmitt Smith autographed cards that were touched up along the borders.

I sent them in(probably in 07) with a note explaining they were altered and just wanted them to go through PSA/DNA. They slabbed them auto authentic and didn't note on the flip the card was altered.