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Resealing is now OK

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In case some of you never venture over to the dark side of the non-sport board.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=41&threadid=917305&STARTPAGE=1

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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
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  • BenG76BenG76 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭
    Saw that thread earlier. Resealing is never ok. I cant believe someone could actually try to justify that.
  • milbrocomilbroco Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭
    I reseal all the time. Otherwise my Capt'n Crunch would go stale.................
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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Funny read. Seller is also a member here.
  • milbrocomilbroco Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭
    Resealing is wrong and he knows it. Why else would he use the term "sealed" instead of unopened. It would have been better to sell the box as an almost full box of 32 packs.
    Plain and simple.........Wrong. I know I will never buy from him.
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  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The truly scary part is when you look at the seller's past sales. Looks like a TON of boxes sold by them.

    People that do stuff like this are scumbags.
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    Is it okay if you completely disclose it?

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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is it okay if you completely disclose it?

    GPK "Restored" >>


    No, it's just going to get sold by the buyer for a lot more as 'unopened'. Great line in that description 'Just like most wax packs from the 80's these have been opened and resealed.'
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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 8,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I noticed 72skywalker posting in the HOF thread today. Is he aware of this? Last year he had a bullet fired at him, and I truly hope he was able to dodge it.

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  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    It's fraud, plain and simple.
  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I noticed 72skywalker posting in the HOF thread today. Is he aware of this? Last year he had a bullet fired at him, and I truly hope he was able to dodge it.

    Last August >>



    I hope not. Would suck to pay those prices for resealed boxes.
  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I noticed 72skywalker posting in the HOF thread today. Is he aware of this? Last year he had a bullet fired at him, and I truly hope he was able to dodge it.

    Last August >>



    I did buy the Series 4 Star Wars box from him. The box looks good but I cannot tell 100% if it is resealed. Tonight I will go to take a closer look to see if it shows any signs of resealing. I hope that his resealing days were just that one time (not that I feel that one time is OK) What are some tell tale signs to look for. If it is resealed it will still sit in my collection because a full box does look nice looking at me. These types of items I bought not for resale but for the way full boxes look on the shelf (Next to the complete run of 92 loose SW figures). (Happy belated Star Wars day May the Fourth) I wasn't ever planning on opening them because I already have the full set for me to look at. I am still looking for series 1-3 but I now am gun shy and will be staying away from wax for a bit.

    Hopefully the force is strong in me and the packs were not resealed. Even if it is resealed this will not be relisted on ebay to some poor unsuspecting person. I will just consider it a sealed box and not an unopened box while it is sitting on my shelf.
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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭
    Hopefully the seller responds to me and we can work something out. It is what it is and it sucks but if he gets hold of me I will listen to his side of the story and I am sure this can get resolved. I am strangley calm about this whole thing even though I might have a bad expensive box. Since this whole situation affects me greatly I have to find some sort of positive spin. This Return of the Jedi quote between Luke and Obi Wan fits perfectly especially since it is Star Wars boxes we are talking about.

    Luke: Obi-Wan.

    [Obi-Wan's spirit approaches Luke]

    Luke: Ben! Why didn't you tell me? You told me that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered my father.

    Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

    Luke: A certain point of view?

    Obi-Wan: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. Anakin was a good friend. When I first met him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong.

    Luke: There is still good in him.

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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    When was it ever not ok?
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I remember a while back emailing an ebay seller about his listing where he advertised all the materials needed for re-sealing in one lot, and he told me it wasn't illegal to re-seal, because that person could be doing so for their own collection without intent to subsequently try to pass it off as original unopened. Of course that explanation seemed beyond ridiculous to me but I suppose he may have been able to argue having found a loophole on technicality from a legality standpoint, unfortunately.

  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I noticed 72skywalker posting in the HOF thread today. Is he aware of this? Last year he had a bullet fired at him, and I truly hope he was able to dodge it.

    Last August >>



    I did buy the Series 4 Star Wars box from him. The box looks good but I cannot tell 100% if it is resealed. Tonight I will go to take a closer look to see if it shows any signs of resealing. I hope that his resealing days were just that one time (not that I feel that one time is OK) What are some tell tale signs to look for. If it is resealed it will still sit in my collection because a full box does look nice looking at me. These types of items I bought not for resale but for the way full boxes look on the shelf (Next to the complete run of 92 loose SW figures). (Happy belated Star Wars day May the Fourth) I wasn't ever planning on opening them because I already have the full set for me to look at. I am still looking for series 1-3 but I now am gun shy and will be staying away from wax for a bit.

    Hopefully the force is strong in me and the packs were not resealed. Even if it is resealed this will not be relisted on ebay to some poor unsuspecting person. I will just consider it a sealed box and not an unopened box while it is sitting on my shelf. >>



    In his responses he speaks about it as though it's been an on-going process for him. He opens boxes, looks for the cards he needs, and then reseals the rest and sells the boxes. I completely understand your desire to find a silver lining on this and have a bit of hope but I would place the odds on your box being good at slim to none. Sorry about this. It sucks.
  • 76collector76collector Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is why the majority of us by unopened solely from the bbce. And what kills us when we try to sell off any parts of our unopened collection that are not bbce sealed. I've sold some 85 Donruss boxes at a loss, that I'm CERTAIN if they were bbce sealed they would go for 25% more, all because guy's like this. Really frustrating.
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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭
    I was thinking about slipping into unopened boxes now but since this I might stay on my current focus of AFA graded SW figures and Yankee cards.
    Collecting Yankees and vintage Star Wars
  • sportscardtheorysportscardtheory Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i> what kills us when we try to sell off any parts of our unopened collection that are not bbce sealed. I've sold some 85 Donruss boxes at a loss, that I'm CERTAIN if they were bbce sealed they would go for 25% more, all because guy's like this. >>



    Impossible.
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭
    Any chance I could ask your question about AFA graded Star Wars figures? My wife bought me a couple of them over the past few birthdays. I used to have a full run figures but I sold them when I moved to Los Angeles. I now have have some interest in buying some of the ones I really liked in AFA holders. But here's what I haven't figured out yet. What is the collectors grade number on them? I mean I know what the number is, but what is the grade that would be equivalent to PSA 8 or PSA 9? It seems like the ones graded 96 are the nicest and are pretty rare. I have to imagine that is the PSA 10? The yellow bubble qualifier also weirds me out a little bit. How much value does that qualifier to take away? Of course, the two that my wife bought both are yellow bubble. I can't really expect her to have known better. I think ultimately, I would like to buy PSA 8.5 versions of my favorite ones. I just can't figure out what that grade probably is.
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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭
    Vito...PM sent
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  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was thinking of putting a mock 1972 Topps Football box together with real wrappers (all varieties), the box, and cards from the 1st and 2nd series - just as a show piece.

    Then if I got tired I could give them out as presents or break them back down.
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  • RichDManRichDMan Posts: 82
    Is this those degenerates form of money laundering? Buy a "resealed" box on ebay then wait a few months then resell it as "unopened"?? This is truly disgusting. If I bought a "resealed" box from someone on ebay I would drive to their house and reseal their body cavities.
    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Skywalker, I have another Star Wars quote for you that is much more definitive. Obi-Wan said it in ROTS. "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!" I am sorry to hear that this happened to you.

    Vito, I purchase action figures graded AFA 85 or better. I also avoid yellow blisters.
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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Skywalker, I have another Star Wars quote for you that is much more definitive. Obi-Wan said it in ROTS. "Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!" I am sorry to hear that this happened to you.

    Vito, I purchase action figures graded AFA 85 or better. I also avoid yellow blisters. >>



    thanks. One thing I found out is that almost all Return of theJedi bubble/blisters are yellow or will be yellow soon. It is something about the plastic that they used then. If they are not yellow they might be a recard with a new blister and new card. Star wars figures on cards have as many scammers as sportscards.
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> If they are not yellow they might be a recard with a new blister and new card. >>



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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    There is absolutely an issue with yellow blisters on ROTJ and POTF cards. The plastic that was used seems to have been of lesser quality. It is unlikely that a recard would pass AFA inspection, so bid with confidence if it is an AFA 85 or better. I actually collect uncirculated loose vintage Star Wars action figures, so yellow blisters are of no concern to me. Sorry to hijack this thread everybody, but the Force is not to be underestimated. Particularly with a sequel trilogy on the horizon. Stay well Skywalker. And may the Force be with you. image
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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is this those degenerates form of money laundering? Buy a "resealed" box on ebay then wait a few months then resell it as "unopened"?? This is truly disgusting. If I bought a "resealed" box from someone on ebay I would drive to their house and reseal their body cavities. >>



    I'd do exactly the opposite. I'd unseal all their body cavities.

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