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GTG (to be), 1818 O.114a CBH ***GRADE POSTED***

BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭
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I'm split between two grades on this one. It's going to PCGS shortly, but I'd like to get some more valuable opinions first image

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    35 or 40.

    nice
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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45, maybe 50.
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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toughie. My initial impression was 40, but those stars are hammered. I could see 35, 40 or 45. I would only think 50 if the variety is known for strike issues and if the grader knows that.
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think 45, maybe 50 on a good day?
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    OriginalityOriginality Posts: 38
    XF-40, cleaned/altered surfaces
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭
    AU50
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>XF-40, cleaned/altered surfaces >>

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin should grade EF-40 Details. It appears to have been cleaned a while ago and is retoning. PCGS is schizophrenic when grading CBHs, so it could come back anything from VF-30 Details to AU-50.
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    Vbowling299Vbowling299 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭
    XF-45+ image
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    35-40 would be my guess.
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF-Details they don't give numbers on the details.
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    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    50
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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45-50....if they like the surfaces. Looks like its missing some skin, even with all the dirt in the crannies.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it as a 45. PCGS will probably say 40.
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    stealerstealer Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭✭
    AU55 details. It could get bagged or netted to 50. You'll have more luck ATS getting a big net.
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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at the pic on my IPad, it looks really nice ! (It's the same with my BST stuff...image)
    My computer monitor make coins look crummy sometimes...so, I'll go with AU 53 !
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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    If the pics are accurate and there are no hidden problems id say 45. But if there is more luster than in the pics, then its an AU coin.

    All assuming there are no tampering issues of course.

    What will PCGS actually say? no idea.
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    My guess is PCGS 40. PCGS graders don't seem to much like late die states.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say you got the "valuable opinions" you asked for.
    The following opinion is not to be considered valuable. I like CBH's way more than I know about them.

    At first glance I had it at 45 and after a longer look, I'm sticking with it.
    Looks to be some luster here and there?
    Old cleaning of some kind? Appears so. Don't know at what degree it becomes a deal breaker.
    Lots of dark grunge crammed in the date, around the awesome stars and within the rev. lettering.
    Nice denticles and rims.

    What's your take on it? What two grades are you hung on? 45/50?

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭


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    What two grades are you hung on? 45/50? >>



    Exactly image

    Everyone who said it's been cleaned - you're right, it has been. However, the olive-gold patina masks most of the evidence well enough to where I think it has a fair shot at grading.

    I didn't have the opportunity to examine the coin in hand before buying it. I had my suspicions from the seller's photos that it had been messed with, but the price was reasonable, so even if it turned out to be cleaned, it wasn't much of a gamble.

    On the chance that it does grade, I expect XF45 or AU50. I think it's a true, low-end AU, but PC might ding it a grade for cleaning (if they're feeling generous enough not to bag it).
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭
    Grade just in...

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    I showed this coin to David Hall at the last Long Beach Coin Expo (just for kicks and giggles) and he called it a problem-free XF45 image

    This probably one of the nicest XF40's I've ever seen. However, as some suspected, the obverse was ever-so lightly cleaned at one point. I guess PCGS felt a net grade was necessary. I was hoping for a 50 net down to 45, at worst.
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    maibockaddictmaibockaddict Posts: 1,759 ✭
    Its a fine addition to your set, and congrats on it getting a straight grade. I heard PCGS has been tough lately as well....
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin. -- I agree with the grade on this one also.

    Stuart

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    AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭
    Didnt notice this thread the first time around, glad to see that I agree with David Hall at 45, at least!
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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45 was my first opinion. And still isimage
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF40 was my guess before seeing the result. Accurately graded, imo.


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    jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭
    My initial impression was also 45. But only so much can be surmised from the images re surface quality. Star points plus AU luster sans hairlines prob would've garnered her a 50 on a good day. The 40 she got sounds like a modest netting. Beats getting XF details any day!
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    KoveKove Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭✭
    I would have thought 45...
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My impression was 45 also, but it doesn't hurt to have a coin in a holder that looks a tad undergraded image

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Bean factory time? >>



    That's a thought. I never really intended on keeping the coin as I already have a nice 1818, and you know how well CAC'd coins sell. image
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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats, I agree with the 40
    Frank

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not sure if I would spend the money on CAC.
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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm not sure if I would spend the money on CAC. >>



    Ditto... doesnt strike me as a coin that would cac for some reason.

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