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What really bothers me: someone who puts up wrappers in auctions and other auctions packs!!!

belzbelz Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭
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I'm always looking for a good deal to add nice things to my collection but are people really that stupid where they'll put up auctions of wrappers in one auction and packs in another...some people just really bother me. Worst part is there are always bids on the wrappers...who would ever want a wrapper from the late 70s or 80s unless they plan to do something misleading/fraudulent...I hate it. Just to be clear, wrappers will never mean anything to me after I open a pack...they go into the garbage...if someone wants my wrappers they will have to dig through the trash like a raccoon...probably would fit those folks just about right. Uggghhh!!!
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  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭✭
    I think lots of people collect wrappers though, mainly because they're much more affordable than full packs and display nicely. However, I'm with you... I refuse to buy raw packs from someone selling a lot of wrappers.
  • 76collector76collector Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, baz518. Not really as much when it comes to late 70's early 80's although the price of those is continuing to rise steadily. But, I have a pack collection going back to 1972. I have looked for a 71 and 70 pack but they are just too much money, so I will just buy a wrapper, and wrap cards from that year up and display it in my case. People buying multiple wrappers though ??? Not sure what else they can want with them other than to try to reseal, and like the OP, I can't stand that.
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  • mattinglymint23mattinglymint23 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭
    We used to have the Michael Pineda of wrapper resale on the boards here.
    Would list box, wrappers and gum all in good condition. Like smearing pin tar right on your neck for all to see.

    I persoNally keep every wrapper - one for piece of mind - two because I hope to display some day.


  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We used to have the Michael Pineda of wrapper resale on the boards here.
    Would list box, wrappers and gum all in good condition. Like smearing pin tar right on your neck for all to see.

    I persoNally keep every wrapper - one for piece of mind - two because I hope to display some day. >>



    I don't keep any wrappers, vintage or new. My first thought when I see someone listing wrappers for sale on eBay is that they are targeting people who want to reseal packs to sell them as "unopened". May not always be the case, but that is what comes to my mind anyway.
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,130 ✭✭✭
    I wish resealers would put post-it notes inside packs that they reseal saying, "sorry, I really needed the money"
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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wish resealers would put post-it notes inside packs that they reseal saying, "sorry, I really needed the money" >>


    Jose claims to have put some notes in his.

    I don't mind seeing individual wrappers for sale, and even include one if I have it for my 'Pick XX to complete your set' listings (though those are mostly mylar/foil wrappers that I cut to open, so no chance of resealing). I like to have an example of the wrapper and any offer variations for any of my complete sets.
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    wrappers make me sad. it's like holding and viewing a photo of your hot ex-girlfriend. some other dude is winning.
  • belzbelz Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭
    Not sure if I made my point clear...There are auctions on ebay for multiple wrappers from mid 80's and such...and people bidding on them. I see it from time to time as I do searchers for unopened boxes, and it's just sickening. I can appreciate people wanting one of each for a display (although I prefer the contents), but clearly there are some unreal scumbags selling to thieves...and then to have the audacity in other auctions to sell packs? Are you kidding me...is anyone paying attention?

    It probably stems from a time when I was a kid probably 10 or 11, I was at a larger card show and bought an older pack that it was presumed to be 1975 - wrapper was 1975 and the written display on a piece of paper said 1975 and I'll never forget opening it up away from the table to see cards from 1976. I was so excited to open the pack for a potential Rice, Lynn, Carter, Yount, or Brett..I remember telling my friend's mom who took us what had happened holding back tears, and she wouldn't go back with me to the table, I was so upset...some things you just don't forget. Later I thought...what a moron...if you're going to rewrap a pack, at least get the year correct.

    Moral of the story is, it's wrong on so many levels to lie, cheat and steal...so when I see people doing that for a few bucks, it makes me sick. Sorry to be a downer, just pretty passionate about our hobby and think it sucks that there are complete losers riddled throughout.
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    belz, you'll earn plenty of support from those who stand against cheating. regrettably, it will be an unwinnable war. there will always be folks who want to profit from the ignorance of others. eBay perpetuates this behavior. but, you already knew that.

    i've got plenty of boxes, sticks of gum & photos of hot ex-girlfriends, too. they look great in storage. image
  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    I have mixed feelings about this topic. I believe that there are honest collectors out there who simply want to own an old vintage wrapper. They can be framed and displayed very nicely. I also believe that the majority of these wrappers are sold with the knowledge that the seller will use them to reseal vintage sports cards. I am not sure how eBay would be able to regulate this, but there must be a way to keep the hobby safer than it currently is.
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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We used to have the Michael Pineda of wrapper resale on the boards here. Would list box, wrappers and gum all in good condition. Like smearing pin tar right on your neck for all to see. >>



    image
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  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    I love the wrappers and have saved every one that I ever ripped - including when I was a kid. Would have no qualms about selling wrappers for that reason. Many feel that they are collectible. But selling the gum is another story.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have mixed feelings about this topic. I believe that there are honest collectors out there who simply want to own an old vintage wrapper. They can be framed and displayed very nicely. I also believe that the majority of these wrappers are sold with the knowledge that the seller will use them to reseal vintage sports cards. I am not sure how eBay would be able to regulate this, but there must be a way to keep the hobby safer than it currently is. >>

    Don't get your hopes up with EBAY doing the policing. On the coin side they don't provide much protection. Your only recourse is the NSAD return privledge.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not sure if I made my point clear...There are auctions on ebay for multiple wrappers from mid 80's and such...and people bidding on them. I see it from time to time as I do searchers for unopened boxes, and it's just sickening. I can appreciate people wanting one of each for a display (although I prefer the contents), but clearly there are some unreal scumbags selling to thieves...and then to have the audacity in other auctions to sell packs? Are you kidding me...is anyone paying attention?

    It probably stems from a time when I was a kid probably 10 or 11, I was at a larger card show and bought an older pack that it was presumed to be 1975 - wrapper was 1975 and the written display on a piece of paper said 1975 and I'll never forget opening it up away from the table to see cards from 1976. I was so excited to open the pack for a potential Rice, Lynn, Carter, Yount, or Brett..I remember telling my friend's mom who took us what had happened holding back tears, and she wouldn't go back with me to the table, I was so upset...some things you just don't forget. Later I thought...what a moron...if you're going to rewrap a pack, at least get the year correct.

    Moral of the story is, it's wrong on so many levels to lie, cheat and steal...so when I see people doing that for a few bucks, it makes me sick. Sorry to be a downer, just pretty passionate about our hobby and think it sucks that there are complete losers riddled throughout. >>

    This reminds me of the time I was at a local show in 91. Bought some 87 Fleer wax packs. To my surprise they were not only resealed, but contained cards that could only be obtained from the factory set of that year. Cards # 661-672.
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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't get your hopes up with EBAY doing the policing. On the coin side they don't provide much protection. Your only recourse is the NSAD return privledge. >>



    Referring to the topics of "hope" and "eBay" in the same sentence constructs nothing other than an oxymoron. Vintage wrappers need to be thrown into the garbage. That is precisely what I do with them. Anything else simply creates a risk factor.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • SteelernationSteelernation Posts: 362 ✭
    What's the NSAD return privilege and what's the statute of limitations?
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Didn't someone here once use a bunch of wrappers to decorate the surface of the bar in his basement?

  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    I have no idea, but I have to say that the year that the sports cards were issued should have a concern factor attached to it. No collector should be able to purchase that number of wrappers if they could be used for dishonest purposes.
    "Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood."
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What's the NSAD return privilege and what's the statute of limitations? >>
      NSAD-Not Signiflcantly As Described or if you prefer Sig. Not As Described. You say tomato I say to-mat-o.image As far as SOL, have no idea. Is there a statue of limitations here on the BST? Anyone?
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    1. BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


      << <i>

      << <i>Don't get your hopes up with EBAY doing the policing. On the coin side they don't provide much protection. Your only recourse is the NSAD return privledge. >>



      Referring to the topics of "hope" and "eBay" in the same sentence constructs nothing other than an oxymoron. Vintage wrappers need to be thrown into the garbage. That is precisely what I do with them. Anything else simply creates a risk factor. >>

      How do you feel about the empty wax boxes?
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    2. Beezer12Beezer12 Posts: 104 ✭✭
      I used to be an avid pack, wrapper and display box collector for the big 4 sports and non-sport. Many card collectors really don't seem to understand the attraction these items hold as collectibles. I collected them for the graphics basically and in the case of packs just because I think it's cool they've survived unopened and that alone is the draw. The pack itself is the collectible, the contents irrelevant to me. I find the cards rather boring compared to the packaging. Wrappers do come in several variations based on the premiums offered and completist collectors have to have them all and will often upgrade them since wrappers in particular are not pristine by nature. It's probably not unusual for them to buy more than 1 at a time. Having said that though, the majority of wrappers from the 80's show zero imagination in terms of graphics aside from a changing colored background and I agree it's unlikely anyone needs 36 of them at a time to build a collection.
      Ebay briefly flirted with banning raw wax sales several years ago, never did hear why they never followed through on it as enforcement was spotty at best until they gave up. Probably because it costs them money to ban items.
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