PWCC listing high grade 71' TOPPS BB SET !!!

mesapsa

Am so interested in some of these high grade cards that I may be tempted to cash out my 401k to purchase some of the more rare cards! Not certain but there cannot be much of these cards still lying around to be graded. There are sooooo many nice cards on the market right now that's its driving me crazy!!! Anyone else??

gemint

That's Henry Moon's set. His set is around 8.40 which is about as high as you can go. Most of the PSA 9s will probably be less than 10. Very tough to get 9s in that set. I've submitted a few thousand 71s over the years including cards pulled directly from a rack pack and I can count on one hand how many 9s they've given me. The rack pack didn't even yield so much as an 8.5. That tells you how tough these are.

mesapsa

I cannot wait to see what some of more rare 9's end up selling for, am just very tempted about going all in on these as you do not see them everyday!!!

mattyc_collection

Yeah, unfortunate to see Henry parting with so much strong stuff. Looks like he sold his minis as well, seems like that one went privately.

akuracy503

<< <i>Am so interested in some of these high grade cards that I may be tempted to cash out my 401k to purchase some of the more rare cards! Not certain but there cannot be much of these cards still lying around to be graded. There are sooooo many nice cards on the market right now that's its driving me crazy!!! Anyone else?? >>



We'll if you are digging deep might as well try to get every card in that set break. You only live once.

mesapsa

Not going to be able to go to bed tonight until I see the entire set!! Talk about a great set here, 1971, unreal

grote15

<< <i>Yeah, unfortunate to see Henry parting with so much strong stuff. Looks like he sold his minis as well, seems like that one went privately. >>



The minis? Wow, he had always said that would be the last set he ever parted with. I know he said he had a bleak outlook on the economy and all, but to divest himself of all those sets after just spending so much time and energy putting them together is still rather shocking.

grote15

<< <i>Not going to be able to go to bed tonight until I see the entire set!! Talk about a great set here, 1971, unreal >>



You said it. The cumulative total of that set break is going to be staggering!

SOM

Blyleven 9 is over $2K already

mesapsa

Wonder how much that Blyleven will end up at?????????????

mesapsa

Lots of 9's in the early to mid numbers but not too many 9's in the high series cards......

Dboneesq

Bench and Brooks (9s) above the $1K mark already.

Munson, in an "8", is $15.00 shy of a grand.

WOW, these WILL be fun to watch.

Steelernation

Seriously, too bad so close to April 15th. Uncle SAM might be getting five figures this year. So may just watch than participate.

Good time for sellers to sell, or should rephrase..best time for sellers to sell, markets going sideways at best for a bit. Hope I'm wrong.

mattyc_collection

Sellers sell. Collectors collect.

mesapsa

Why do you see markets going sideways for awhile? Seems stocks just keep going up up and up and along with that the collectible markets go up as well....

Steelernation

Without getting into the esoterica of it all, the technicals, etc had a great 5 yr bull run but seems lately just sideways without any conviction. The high flyers, biotech, momentum stocks taking a pause at best...quite a few took 10-15% haircut but whose buying those now? But really, I don't know, ur c.f.p. doesn't know. But I could write pages to argue...either way actually. Then again, for investors there's nowhere else to go but equities. So may get 5% vs downside risk of 10-15%. use to be able to buy the lows or any dips and couldn't lose. No more higher highs or higher lows...short term.
Watch....prob up 20% by years end. I'm just nervous and cash is king.

akuracy503

Market will be sensitive to the China/Asia growth (Slowdown) factor, early reports from overseas are not promising.
In good news US job numbers are supposedly climbing back to pre recession (2008)

So....Like mentioned before those with the bankroll will keep on keeping on.

Steelernation

Dn23hof...ur right, collectors collect but it seems and I'm hearing more and more speculators I.e. The unopened market....we've had some great discussions here about that. And is apples to oranges..there are less and less. But when guys who dont collect see 70s doubling in a year in a fairly liquid market and decide to buy...reminds me of the times the cabbie is talking about buying gold, redhat, or any dot com. I'm not saying this is the same because topps isn't printing more 70s.

Mesa,..not for awhile for a bit but then again my opinion is worth 2 cents.

In the end who knows.... I'm still a buyer of unopened and 71 psa's as well as other collectibles. Can't worry about everything.

Steelernation

Newsflash...here's a small sample size of one...this week i actually said no to various vintage, well 1970's, unopened boxes. Why....Due to prices. For at least 2-3 yr I've never turned anything quality down. Except that $20k+ Ted Williams fleer box. Now im picking my spots.
Anyone else feeling the high prices?

akuracy503

Just like mesapsa thoughts, people are thinking cash out and diversify in collectibles.
With the stock market in question where else could you put the cash?

You're right about the speculation. I personally know someone who has cashed out $300k in retirement funds for silver AND Gold etf's

Folks are trying to get ahead of the game.

jackstraw

What happened to Henry? He was active on the boards and was so passionate about cards
to liquidating everything is weird to me? I know he kind of went sideways on the thread
about the card trimmer but that can't be the reason he is liquidating?

edmundfitzgerald

Does anyone think he should have sold this set off in two or three stages, or it won't really matter ?

Love this card with the ump wearing a suit and tie.

1954

His set is going to sell for a crazy number because the cards are all high end. Good luck in the sale.

mattyc_collection

I think the set will do great for Henry regardless; many of those who are after expensive, tough cards (be they condition-rare cards or truly rare cards, blue chip icons or low pop commons) will find them when for sale and pay accordingly. At the moment there are heavy hitters into this set, and likely with 71s there always will be; its toughness virtually ensures it will appeal to collectors who want and have the means to get the toughest stuff. If this were a 78 or 79 set, holding it long term might include some risky cards, but I think 71s are very safe.

I also think an earlier poster really nailed it in that the truly expensive or elite cards, whichever term one uses, tend to appeal to collectors whose buying ability stays pretty strong no matter how the stock market is going. And while I can make a pretty ironclad case for why a rarely centered Ruth RC or Mantle 311 or authentic unopened boxes of 1969 Topps are better strict investments than a modern set comprised of many low pop commons (due mainly to size of buyer pool), I ultimately think that's completely moot if the bidder/buyer of the item is a passionate collector. Collectors are all about what they love, and that trumps all. And if a collector is after a set that costs a bundle, I'm sure he's not worried about his Pop 2 PSA 9 common becoming a Pop 4 or one of the six other rich sharks into the set leaving the waters. The salient point being that investing and collecting are two vastly different animals, and then of course there is the hybrid individual.

Morgoth

I am more worried about the recent auction shenanigans of 71's were things got quite comical. I hope that doesn't happen again.

ClockworkAngel

This thread needs to be buried. Nothing to see here...nothing to see. The 1971's are ugly, you guys don't want them.

Check out all the rare Three Stooges cards on eBay right now! That's where the money is guys

akuracy503

It is really fascinating to stare at the edges and corners of a psa 9 1971 topps card. Not of this world.

gemint

It's hard to believe many of these 9s don't sell for more than they do. This set was on fire back in 2008-9 with many of the 9s selling for $500 or more. However, after a handful of top sets were broken up, it seems there weren't enough deep pockets to replace them. I still feel many of the 9s are a relative bargain. Take Elliott Maddox for example. I sold my 9 back in November of 2011 for $109.99. The next one didn't sell on eBay until January of this year and it only sold for $102.69. That's 2+ years without hitting the market, yet the price didn't move.

This is a set where the PSA 9 populations don't move much. So it's not like a flood of new material is hitting the market to push prices down. Part of the issue could be lack of exposure where the items aren't getting noticed when they're listed. It will be interesting to see how Henry's set does. Exposure certainly won't be an issue with PWCC. If the 1969 set break is any indication, this set break should go through the roof.

bobsbbcards

We need a Link to eBay Auctions for 1971 PSA Set Break

CollectorAtWork

Out of curiosity, of the major Topps vintage sets from 1960 and later, is the 1971 set the toughest to collect in NM? I've been working on a 1970s Topps run, and I now have 1972 and after in raw, roughly NM or so. Wondering how tough it would be to try to add the 1971 set. I don't need PSA9, but something that looks roughly pack fresh, not taking into account centering, would benice.

EOMINT

EOMINT

From someone who has been at the task of putting this set together for many yrs and am about 94% of the way there in 9s and a few 10s like the Seaver I can attest to how difficult this is...once the supply clears prices will move back up again when a few new guys come in and decide they want to put this set together. Like everything else, it ebbs and flows, but it is a VERY TOUGH set to put together.

EOMINT

Steelernation

Holy...! Wow, u have a 71 PSA 10 Seaver? I'm waaay out of my league trying to put this set together. I'm just wondering what size of car is that Seaver worth.

gemint

<< <i>From someone who has been at the task of putting this set together for many yrs and am about 94% of the way there in 9s and a few 10s like the Seaver I can attest to how difficult this is...once the supply clears prices will move back up again when a few new guys come in and decide they want to put this set together. Like everything else, it ebbs and flows, but it is a VERY TOUGH set to put together.

EOMINT >>



Eric, it looks like you've been stuck in the mid 90s. Last time I looked there were about 7-10 cards that had no 9s. Hopefully you can pick up a few in this break. It would be cool to see somebody put together an all 9s or better '71 set. Will you break down and buy 8s for the cards that don't have any 9s if that's all that remains to complete your set?

70ToppsFanatic

<< <i>Holy...! Wow, u have a 71 PSA 10 Seaver? I'm waaay out of my league trying to put this set together. I'm just wondering what size of car is that Seaver worth. >>



The 1971 Topps Seaver in PSA 10 sold at auction a few years ago at slightly north of $20K if I recall correctly. As to what it is worth today, it's anyone's guess.

ClockworkAngel

Munson, Banks, and Seaver are the 3 ridiculously difficult cards to find 9's in. Even the Moon set only has the Banks in 9...1 of 3. I was fortunate enough to win a Seaver 9 a couple years ago. I believe that's Pop 3 or 4....

70ToppsFanatic

Fellas,

We are about to cost each other a LOT of money as we all chase some of these amazing cards.

SIGH......

JustinsShoebox

<< <i>Fellas,

We are about to cost each other a LOT of money as we all chase some of these amazing cards.

SIGH......


>>



Completely agree. I don't think I can resist a few of these...

Up until about two years or so ago, I thought the 1971 set was pretty ugly. That was because most of the time you see 7-8s with white littered edges/corners. Then I saw how gorgeous those 9s can be. With the risk of being trite, the only word I can think of to describe them would be to steal one from battlefield0516's book - breathtaking!

Justin

BIGBEN7

The Stargell,Banks,Williams,Marichal and Killebrew in this set were purchased in the Mastro April 2006 auction for $2178. He is going to make a nice profit.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=57955

mesapsa

I'm going all out I'm afraid on the high $$$ cards, we will see what happens here.......

mattyc_collection

You guys can all count your lucky stars the 71s I like are not offered here in premium state, namely Reggie, Ryan, and Munson One less shark in the water!

cardcountry

I'm with Matty. I've bought too much other stuff lately. As much as I'd love to have some of them, I'm gonna just be watching. Any other time I'd be bidding!!!

Jeff

ClockworkAngel

I'm halfway with Matty and Jeff. I've also bought too much stuff lately but I am not letting that stop me on a couple of these

ClockworkAngel

P.S. This thread is the best thing that could have happened to Moondog

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Steelernation

And still 5-6 days to go.

I'm thinking the longer this thread stays updated the more it's costing us money...ugh

Dpeck100

I don't think this thread is costing anyone a dime.

The eyeballs that PWCC auctions get are off the charts. When you go to Watchlist.com and check the number of watchers you will see a noticeable difference.

There are many hard core baseball collectors who scourer EBAY daily looking for cards and this set break will stick out like a sore thumb.

What will cost some people money are throwing in the nuclear snipes because on many of these cards there will be several buyers who try the same thing.

I wonder how risky it is to list the whole set all at once. With this many high dollar cards going up at the same time I could see some buying power being maxed out and some of the cards going for less then expected.

Morgoth

I think EBay's decline in auctions really makes these type of auctions stand out. I will just be patient, not overpay and try and get good cards when I can. If someone wants to go full retard on the Munson or Robinson so be it.

EOMINT

Yeah, Ive been stuck in the mid 90s...very hard to find anything incremental especially as you pointed out some cards dont yet exist in 9, but eventually they will. In the meantime, has been very slow goings...everything I collect I intend to one day pass on to my now 2.5 yr old son, this set included...my hope is that as he gets older he enjoys collecting and we can do it together, the way my father used to take me to shows when I was a kid. That and fishing are 2 great father-son bonding experiences, and I dont think even SMR could put a value on that, its priceless!!!!

EOMINT

mattyc_collection

<< <i>I don't think this thread is costing anyone a dime.

The eyeballs that PWCC auctions get are off the charts. When you go to Watchlist.com and check the number of watchers you will see a noticeable difference.

There are many hard core baseball collectors who scourer EBAY daily looking for cards and this set break will stick out like a sore thumb.

What will cost some people money are throwing in the nuclear snipes because on many of these cards there will be several buyers who try the same thing.

I wonder how risky it is to list the whole set all at once. With this many high dollar cards going up at the same time I could see some buying power being maxed out and some of the cards going for less then expected. >>



I don't see a one-time listing maxing out the few wealthy bidders who wind up most determining the final hammer with their snipes. Look at every major auction-- often there are multiple amazing featured lots that interest the same buyers (I can offer myself as an example), and each winds up getting a huge price. There are enough eyeballs and deep pockets to go around for scarce, rare, or condition rare items. I'd venture that anyone embarking on an expensive set or collection must have some inkling as to what they are getting into price wise going in; if you're pursuing a Ruth Master Set or the Top 20 or a 1971 high grade set, for example, I think you've got the bank to go after multiple items at once. Even for the guy on a budget, if an advanced collector sees a scarce or rare item they must have, they will find the resources to make a run at it, via some combination of selling lesser items or even paying with PayPal on a credit card.

mattyc_collection

<< <i>I can never figure out whether these threads actually show legitimate interest in an auction or are a subtle attempt to boost eyeballs on someone's own auction (or a friend's auction). >>



I wouldn't worry about that. A set like this is a specialty item that appeals to a smaller pool of buyers as compared to, say, a major HOFer RC. The point being that a thread discussing it is not likely to get someone who is otherwise disinclined to now enter a snipe for a Jesus Alou PSA 9. Another point is that all collectors know what's going on on ebay to varying extents; they have their searches saved, alerts set, they know when Brent is doing an auction; so a thread here is not going to boost eyeballs to any new critical mass where the prices will go up. The guys who need and are willing to pay top dollar for a low pop common for their set or a high grade HOFer for their player collection or a 71 Munson for their personal favorite collection, they all already know about the auction and their snipes determine the price. A casual new eyeball on it created by this thread is very unlikely to be a player involved in the final seconds who winds up affecting the hammer.