Cards you feel are worthy of a bump

ClockworkAngel · March 18, 2014 7:16AM

In honor of Ron Burgundy's amazing review, I wanted to see what cards collectors feel are good candidates to get bumped. Perhaps you've tried and didn't get it or you're thinking about it. I am relentless and keep trying these:

[/URL]

hyperchipper09 · March 18, 2014 7:29AM

I guess a couple of small edge spots keeps the Jordan from bumping. The Gretzky could be a 9 or 10 IMO.

Dnice · March 18, 2014 7:45AM

So you're the one who owns that Maris

Beautiful cards all around but I only see MAYBE the Jordan getting a bump. Blurry scan cant help me make a better determination unfortunately. The Reggie bottom left corner will hold it back from when comparing to other random vintage 9's I own.

PaulMaul · March 18, 2014 7:49AM

The '62 Maris is a beauty but has that flared corner in the upper left that often occurs on edge of the sheet cards. Only thing is I have a PSA 10 with the same "defect" so I'm not really sure if PSA has a policy on that or not.

ClockworkAngel · March 18, 2014 8:06AM

Paul, the funny thing is that PSA is making note of the bottom right corner for the reason for not bumping

maysmantle · March 18, 2014 8:13AM

Don't I own that Reggie now?

maysmantle · March 18, 2014 8:35AM

Here's a clearer scan. I've actually got this one being reviewed at PSA now.

fergie23 · March 18, 2014 8:43AM

Honestly they all look like they are graded properly. Perhaps in hand they would look worthy of being bumped.
Best of luck in your quest.

Robb

epislash · March 18, 2014 9:02AM

Man I'd love a Jordan like that someday. That 9 looks ever so slightly L/R off by a hair. I'd still love it though

BunchOBull · March 18, 2014 9:12AM

If my NNOF were just a few pixels north, it'd be a sure fire 10; as it stands at 39/61, it's just outside. It has the nicest corners, edges, and suface of any copy I've seen.

Bosox1976 · March 18, 2014 9:33AM

cardcountry · March 18, 2014 9:37AM

Beautiful cards Todd, all look very high end for the grade. If I saw any of them in the next grade up I wouldn't argue a bit. I hope you can get them there!

Jeff

aconte · March 18, 2014 9:56AM

Here's two that look nicer than the grade to me.

aconte

76collector · March 18, 2014 10:11AM

From my recent sub. At a minimum IMO it should be an 8.5.

sorry for the glare - that pink spot is not on the card

grote15 · March 18, 2014 10:19AM

Jeff, I'm guessing bottom left corner is the reason for the 8. Still a very sharp card and definitely a high end 8.

ClockworkAngel · March 18, 2014 10:22AM

Thanks Jeff!

I dunno if my scanner does the cards justice. Actually, the Schmidt is probably the nicest. It's perfect.

Ryan, good luck with that Reggie!

aconte, why in the world is that Ashburn only a 7??

aconte · March 18, 2014 10:57AM

<< Thanks Jeff!

I dunno if my scanner does the cards justice. Actually, the Schmidt is probably the nicest. It's perfect.

Ryan, good luck with that Reggie!

aconte, why in the world is that Ashburn only a 7?? >>

I don't know Todd. The corners are nice with no problems. I'll have to put up a bigger scan one day for more opinions. I
never thought about reviewing my subs/purchases but I guess I should at some point.

I think your OPC Gretzky looks incredible. The Schmidt too but I would need to see the back if it would be worthy of
a higher grade to me. I know some 73 Schmidt Psa 9's have som just ok backs but to me the back is very important on that card.

aconte

SidePocket · March 18, 2014 11:49AM

All these cards could be upgrades, but the grader on that 75 Carlton seriously had a bad day.

pdub1819 · March 18, 2014 12:36PM

Started off as an 8...cracked it and sent it in and it came back....

mattyc_collection · March 18, 2014 2:15PM

Clockwork,

Save some loot; the Reggie won't 9 due to top/bottom centering and mild tilt, also that one bottom corner looks a touch soft. Top left corner and a mild white dot in the OILERS will be what they flag on the Wayne. The Schmidt has some general corner weakness; they'd look for razors on that card to 10 it.

Bear in mind that the graders will look to flag ANY tiny imperfection to keep these big cards from ascending a grade. The Maris could 9. The Jordan scan is a tad blurry to help. These are all great cards and in great grades, and should be very satisfying to own in their current state.

Mapleleaf · March 18, 2014 2:43PM

I really like the Gretzky. A high 9 for sure.

Davis · March 18, 2014 10:46PM

I don't have pics handy, but what do you think the odds of a 7.5 BGS Michael Jordan would cross over to PSA at at least a 7.5. I want to get it in a psa holder and have been thinking about subbing it with a min grade of 7.5. I wouldn't be too heartbroken if it came back a 7, but would obviously love an 8. Do you tend to see BGS half grades go down, go up, or stay the same with psa? Or just a total crap shoot.

Also, if you sub with a min grade (say 7.5), does psa sometimes cross it over with the min grade but then add a qualifier like (OC)? Basically going from BGS 7.5 to PSA 7.5 (OC)?

hyperchipper09 · March 18, 2014 11:51PM

<< I don't have pics handy, but what do you think the odds of a 7.5 BGS Michael Jordan would cross over to PSA at at least a 7.5. I want to get it in a psa holder and have been thinking about subbing it with a min grade of 7.5. I wouldn't be too heartbroken if it came back a 7, but would obviously love an 8. Do you tend to see BGS half grades go down, go up, or stay the same with psa? Or just a total crap shoot.

Also, if you sub with a min grade (say 7.5), does psa sometimes cross it over with the min grade but then add a qualifier like (OC)? Basically going from BGS 7.5 to PSA 7.5 (OC)? >>

Part I: Total crap shoot. Literally 50/50 as to whether or not your BGS 7.5 would cross to a PSA 7.5.
Part II: Isn't there a way, I believe there is, to request grading without qualifiers even on crossovers. I'll assume the MJ Fleer is a little O/C then? A pic would help, maybe the subgrades, but, I've seen 86/87 Fleers with scatter-shot centering get decent grades at times. Honestly that's a crap shoot as well.

Davis · March 19, 2014 12:16AM

Thanks, hyperchipper. Yes, the OC is my worry. I have a pic (not great b/c I reduced it to under 50KBs to attach) but I'm having trouble getting it to attach.
The sub-grades are:
Centering 7
Corners 8
Surface 8.5
Edges 9
Overall 7.5

edit...I see photobucket works. I can take a better pic later that isn't at an angle. I just had this one in my email.

BigRedMachine · March 19, 2014 12:38AM

<<

>>

I would be very surprised to see that Jordan in a 7.5 holder. I thought the half bump grades were for well centered cards of a certain grade that presented well. I can't tell from the scan if your card meets the standard for a straight 8, but my initial guess would be that you would get a straight 7 or 8, not the 7.5. Perhaps others could confirm??

Just my opinion, let us know if you give it shot!

Shawn

Davis · March 19, 2014 12:56AM

Thanks Shawn. I think I might give it a shot soon and maybe input a mid grade of 7 then. I just don't want to get the (OC) qualifier...I can't stand qualifiers on my cards. I'm preparing another sub for the March $10 special...but I think the max declared value is $250. Would you submit as a normal card so you can declare the value around $600-$800?

cardcountry · March 19, 2014 12:58AM

You can specify nq (no qualifiers) right on the Psa submission form. You would then get the highest grade possible without qualifiers.

Jeff

Davis · March 19, 2014 1:29AM

Do you guys ever submit cards on specials that are worth a bit over the max declared value limit? I'm sure it's just for insurance purposes so I could get hosed if PSA lost/damaged the card, but does PSA ever kick the cards back for that?

swish54 · March 19, 2014 2:13AM

I was pretty bummed about these 2 grades and was hoping they'd come back 1-2 grades higher each. Thoughts on if it's worth resubbing? Would it be better to do a crack out or reveiw? On the Yount, there is a small ink spot on back above "Yount." Would something like that make it come down to a 6 rather than say 7/8st?

hyperchipper09 · March 19, 2014 5:08AM

<< 

<<

>>

I would be very surprised to see that Jordan in a 7.5 holder. I thought the half bump grades were for well centered cards of a certain grade that presented well. I can't tell from the scan if your card meets the standard for a straight 8, but my initial guess would be that you would get a straight 7 or 8, not the 7.5. Perhaps others could confirm??

Just my opinion, let us know if you give it shot!

Shawn >>

I agree. That would get a 7. Check out some of the 86/87 Fleer PSA 7's on eBay. So many have that type centering.

ClockworkAngel · March 19, 2014 9:54AM

<< Clockwork,

Save some loot; the Reggie won't 9 due to top/bottom centering and mild tilt, also that one bottom corner looks a touch soft. Top left corner and a mild white dot in the OILERS will be what they flag on the Wayne. The Schmidt has some general corner weakness; they'd look for razors on that card to 10 it.

Bear in mind that the graders will look to flag ANY tiny imperfection to keep these big cards from ascending a grade. The Maris could 9. The Jordan scan is a tad blurry to help. These are all great cards and in great grades, and should be very satisfying to own in their current state. >>

First, Thanks for the feedback. I screwed up and posted the wrong scan and wrong Reggie. I have a beautiful 9. I used to own but sold the 8.5 to Ryan . No wonder there was so much confusion. I will post a picture of the 9 when I get back.

I totally agree on your thoughts about Psa flagging anything. I'm really trying to be objective and look for issues as hard as I can.
And 100% on board with being happy with the cards. I am. One mans opinion at Psa won't change the fact that I think I have some of the best examples out there of each. That being said, let's face it, if one of these cards were to get bumped it could potentially be life changing the way the market is going, and Psa knows that. All good either way. Enjoying this thread

MrKnowthanx · March 19, 2014 1:47PM

Im hoping to maybe get a bump to a 9 one day, just need that lucky grader....

hyperchipper09 · March 19, 2014 2:28PM

<< Im hoping to maybe get a bump to a 9 one day, just need that lucky grader....

>>

My completely uneducated guess is that the T/B centering keeps the Mario at an 8. Nice, clean looking card though

ClockworkAngel · March 19, 2014 6:58PM

That Lemeiux is gorgeous and looks to be a worthy candidate . They likely will give you the 8.5 first and the 9 down the road, but if it's worth it to you I think you'd have a great shot

mattyc_collection · March 19, 2014 11:31PM

A big factor that many of us cannot see from all these scans is surface bubbles and other stock imperfections, not to mention micro wrinkles that may only be evident at certain angles under light. I have held cards that, in hand, seemed GEM, but a grader would subsequently point out a minor-- albeit undeniable-- surface issue.

hyperchipper09 · March 20, 2014 12:39AM

<< A big factor that many of us cannot see from all these scans is surface bubbles and other stock imperfections, not to mention micro wrinkles that may only be evident at certain angles under light. I have held cards that, in hand, seemed GEM, but a grader would subsequently point out a minor-- albeit undeniable-- surface issue. >>

^^^ Excellent point. Just a little tilt here/there in the right kind of light will often times reveal why a card is an 8 and not a 9. Or a 9 and not a 10. In most cases one doesn't need a magnifying glass, loupe, none of that stuff. Eyes / tilt / good light reveals a lot.

ClockworkAngel · March 20, 2014 1:18AM

Yes good point but they usually give me the reasons when it is not bumped. Gretzky it's centering, Jordan they say light PD, Maris they pointed at the bottom right corner. All are stretches at best IMO

grote15 · March 20, 2014 1:32AM

I'm all for getting an occasional bump, but do we really want cards like these to bump up in grade on a regular basis despite the (albeit) minor issues that relegated them in the holder and grade they were assigned in the first place? As owners of these cards, we naturally want to realize the bump in value, but the reason PSA graded cards command the prices they do in the secondary market is precisely commensurate with the difficulty in attaining such a grade in the first place. As collectors, do we really want to see PSA 9 sliders bumping to PSA 10 on a regular basis? Interesting debate for sure.

hyperchipper09 · March 20, 2014 2:36AM

<< I'm all for getting an occasional bump, but do we really want cards like these to bump up in grade on a regular basis despite the (albeit) minor issues that relegated them in the holder and grade they were assigned in the first place? As owners of these cards, we naturally want to realize the bump in value, but the reason PSA graded cards command the prices they do in the secondary market is precisely commensurate with the difficulty in attaining such a grade in the first place. As collectors, do we really want to see PSA 9 sliders bumping to PSA 10 on a regular basis? Interesting debate for sure. >>

I don't myself. I've never submitted a card looking for a bump, and won't. I'll just look at my 8's and 9's compared to some 10's and think, well, I've got some high end 8's and 9's. Not to mention it dilutes the pool without actually changing the pop report in correct fashion. Giving a false number across the pop report is damaging also to card values. I think that gets glossed over too much.

itzagoner · March 20, 2014 2:45AM

it's really a matter of persuading that card to get itself into that holder of choice.

sometimes, the card cooperates, but most of the time they are just as stubborn as we are when discussing their merits.

ClockworkAngel · March 20, 2014 4:38PM

<< I'm all for getting an occasional bump, but do we really want cards like these to bump up in grade on a regular basis despite the (albeit) minor issues that relegated them in the holder and grade they were assigned in the first place? As owners of these cards, we naturally want to realize the bump in value, but the reason PSA graded cards command the prices they do in the secondary market is precisely commensurate with the difficulty in attaining such a grade in the first place. As collectors, do we really want to see PSA 9 sliders bumping to PSA 10 on a regular basis? Interesting debate for sure. >>

Davis · April 15, 2014 1:14AM

<< Thanks, hyperchipper. Yes, the OC is my worry. I have a pic (not great b/c I reduced it to under 50KBs to attach) but I'm having trouble getting it to attach.
The sub-grades are:
Centering 7
Corners 8
Surface 8.5
Edges 9
Overall 7.5

edit...I see photobucket works. I can take a better pic later that isn't at an angle. I just had this one in my email.

>>

For those like me that like to know how things end up.....the crossover just popped today. I submitted to PSA with no qualifiers, min grade 7. Crossed as a straight 7. It's pretty much what I expected. I'm pleased to have it in a PSA holder and the BGS holder had a slight crack on top. This fits right into my collection of 7+ rookies...now I'm looking to add a Magic/Bird/Erving rookie and a OPC Gretzky 7+.

Cards you feel are worthy of a bump

Comments