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85 and 86 football boxes at bbce now

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  • mattinglymint23mattinglymint23 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭
    looks like another month i dont pay off my doctor bills
  • Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭
    The '86 cello box is pretty interesting. I'm assuming X-out cello boxes are not ideal though - since they were unsold stock at one point in time.
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    Jeff
  • slum22slum22 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow. 86 wax boxes at $750. I can't even say that is priced incorrectly as I think that is around what BBCE boxes sell for on eBay. IIRC they had them at $475 at the national last year along with the 84 FB wax boxes at the same price. That is a hefty increase in half a year. Interested to see how long it will take to sell the case out. I am holding off for now.
    Steve
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>The '86 cello box is pretty interesting. I'm assuming X-out cello boxes are not ideal though - since they were unsold stock at one point in time. >>



    I pinged Steve earlier to ask about the cellos. He had "a couple" that were not x-outs. I added one of them to my collection. image

    Snorto~
  • 3BoyzTrading3BoyzTrading Posts: 798 ✭✭
    Those wax boxes look to be untouched premium stuff. The price is up there but I suppose that's what you get when you purchase an untouched box. It's out of my ball park right now but should someone bust one, please share the results. I remember buying a cello box for $240 in 2007...wow!
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>Wow. 86 wax boxes at $750. I can't even say that is priced incorrectly as I think that is around what BBCE boxes sell for on eBay. IIRC they had them at $475 at the national last year along with the 84 FB wax boxes at the same price. That is a hefty increase in half a year. Interested to see how long it will take to sell the case out. I am holding off for now. >>



    Hard to logically justify these going for more than the 1984 boxes now.

    1986 has only 3 HOF RCs, with Rice being the big one, although you also have the first NFL cards of USFL players like Steve Young. Compare that to 1984 with TEN HOF RCs, highlighted by Marino & Elway.

    The 1984 set books for $200, while the 1986 books at $120.

    I haven't noticed much different in terms of the availability of either product, at least wax boxes, over the past year either... although I have heard some suggest Topps printed more 1984 than 1986 football product.

    Snorto~
  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭
    The first picture up for the 86 Cello box looked pristine...and I was thisclose to calling, but had to hold off.

    Hoping that's the one you got Scott...it looked real nice.

    The one up now has the black line and looks a bit rougher.

    I know I might kick myself later for passing, but I'm looking for a 65 Namath in PSA 4-5, and just couldn't justify $775 for an 86 FB box considering how much of that stuff I opened back then, along with the fact that I just bought a set for $35.
    52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
  • slum22slum22 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭✭
    The 86 has passed the 84 over the past year it seems. I haven't looked at pop reports but I have to think the key RCs in the 86 (Rice and Young) are much tougher at high grade than the 84's (Marino and Elway). I believe 9's for the Young and Rice sell for twice as much as the Elway and Marino. I think the discrepancy is even greater for 10's, if we ever even see a Young or Rice 10 for sale. In watching the unopened market it sure seems there is more 84 out there than 86.
    Steve
  • DCanfieldDCanfield Posts: 548 ✭


    << <i>although I have heard some suggest Topps printed more 1984 than 1986 football product.

    Snorto~ >>


    At last years National I asked Steve which box he would rather own as he had all three years available (at least in racks). His answer was the 1986 box as he was of the opinion that production was lower than 1984 and he has seen a lot less 1986 football boxes available. Over the last year or two I've seen a lot more 1984 boxes on the BBCE website than 1986 boxes. This seems to be a case of quantity being rated higher than content.
    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'WOW What a Ride!' Mark Frost
  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    The 86 boxes were very low risk/medium reward purchases last year at $475 a piece, but at $750 busting them is not a profitable play.
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's hard to get unopened 1970's and early/mid 1980's football locally. In general Topps printed a lot less football than baseball, so the supply/demand ratio could be out of whack.

    BBCE is one of the few places that has decent selection. Dave & Adams used to have unopened football at decent prices, but they raised their prices as well.

    Mike
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    I grabbed one of the 86 wax boxes. It has the line on the box, but it's not like the normal x-out boxes. According to the description it was most likely a returned box from a warehouse that would have had box only sales. So the packs haven't been touched since the factory. I prefer it to a non x-out box that doesn't come froma ssealed case. I still feel nuts grabbing it at this price, but I have one on the way.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the SWC sticker on the 86 wax boxes are Sam's Wholesale Club. A box with this same sticker sold on Ebay last month for $975. It wasn't an X-out box and it wasn't BBCE sealed.
    James
  • corncobbcorncobb Posts: 516 ✭
    The really amazing thing about the 86's besides the price, is the fact that it a strong candidate for the ugliest Topps card design EVER.
  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The really amazing thing about the 86's besides the price, is the fact that it a strong candidate for the ugliest Topps card design EVER. >>



    They are pretty bad but I've slowly been warming to them. Mainly because they are somewhat vintage in terms of age now. Certainly not my favorite.
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭✭
    I bought one of the 86 fb cello boxes when they were first listed on the site. Not sure what shape the box will be in but don't really care since I will eventually open all the packs. I already have a bbce box of 86 FB wax packs or would have bought one of those as well. The 86 FB are definitely more rare than the 84 FB. Of course the prices for boxes is out of control and not even remotely tied to the potential PSA value of cards pulled. I still believe Steve needs to charge more for his 70s & early 80s unopened boxes. I do not think he has found the right price point yet. He should be able to maintain some unopened box inventory. I know I make far fewer casual purchases now since he can't keep much in stock. On the bright side for him I am much more willing to overpay when he does get something I am interested in since I know it will disappear in 24-48 hours if I don't make the purchase.

    If the market for unopened tumbles there will be a ton of BBCE wrapper boxes available for sale. It is amazing how much of the BBCE unopened you see for sale now has the new wrapping rather than the older BBCE shrink wrap. Not sure how much of that is from people purchasing direct from BBCE or people sending in their boxes to get BBCE validated and wrapped. Is indicative to me of more flippers getting involved but we will see how it all plays out.

    My to-be opened collection continues to grow as I think I have 30+ unopened boxes across all 4 sports at the moment. Slower than before since prices are up 50-200% across the board for almost everything I like to or would want to open. Will be fun when I decide to rip everything.

    Robb
  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭


    << <i>The really amazing thing about the 86's besides the price, is the fact that it a strong candidate for the ugliest Topps card design EVER. >>



    I actually like them. Same with 1985. I like different.
  • gbechtelgbechtel Posts: 14
    greg bechtel
  • gbechtelgbechtel Posts: 14
    As a Montana fan I totally get the 86's picking up speed. I am after the Montana topps only psa 10 and
    Finally found one 1986 in last year. I know isn't apples to apples but about 9 pct of 84's hit 10's and about 6.5 pct of the 86's

    Again purely from a Montana standpoint the 86 is by far the most difficult 10. IMHO 86 topps in a 10 (if that your goal) as tough
    As any set post late 70's


    Thanks for posting the discussion and good luck to those opening.

    greg bechtel
  • Black00SSBlack00SS Posts: 377
    Gone now, I just bought the last 86 box from the sealed case.
    Man those went fast!
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I I still believe Steve needs to charge more for his 70s & early 80s unopened boxes. I do not think he has found the right price point yet. He should be able to maintain some unopened box inventory. I know I make far fewer casual purchases now since he can't keep much in stock. On the bright side for him I am much more willing to overpay when he does get something I am interested in since I know it will disappear in 24-48 hours if I don't make the purchase.

    Robb >>



    I do agree that the 1970's football boxes and racks are too low. That product does not turn up that often and it get purchased very quickly. Steel City Collectibles had a 1977 Topps Football Box on sale for the longest time at $1550. It finally sold and I'm guessing for less than the asking. If that was on BBCE's site and wrap, that would have sold easily for $1700+.

    I look at other dealer sites and auctions and the prices for mid-1970's-1980's football is comparable or higher than BBCE. Is BBCE too low or the other dealers too high? That is the question.
    Mike
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭
    Phew...

    Decision made for me, thanks! image

    Scott
  • hyperchipper09hyperchipper09 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe we'll get lucky and a few of those 86 boxes will yield some solid Steve Young's that can pull 8.5 or 9.0 grades.
    A fella can dream, right?
    image
  • Black00SSBlack00SS Posts: 377


    << <i>Maybe we'll get lucky and a few of those 86 boxes will yield some solid Steve Young's that can pull 8.5 or 9.0 grades.
    A fella can dream, right?
    image >>



    I sure hope so, going to be impossible to break even if not!
  • DustoDusto Posts: 164
    The '86 football set is a beast and good luck to anyone who intends to rip the box searching for high grade studs. About 2 years ago when I got back into collecting again, I thought it would be fun to self-submit my own PSA 9 Rice and Young and hopefully get a gem Elway, Marino, Montana, or Payton. A fresh box and three beautiful sealed factory sets busted later, I am still without any of those cards.
  • RaulsmasterRaulsmaster Posts: 663 ✭✭
    I agree, 86 is brutal w surfaces especially. I cracked a rack case and it yielded very few high grade specimens.
    It never leaves you...
  • 3BoyzTrading3BoyzTrading Posts: 798 ✭✭
    A rack case and few high grade cards? Ouch on the surface and registration issues. The pain I get is determining whether a corner that has the white stripe, is frayed or not....I suppose buying a loupe would solve the problem.
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Word must be getting out. A 1986 T FB Box at Dave & Adams sold for around $700. These were $500 during their Christimas sale.
    Mike
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭✭
    Good luck with anyone that buys older wax from Dave & Adams. I have received multiple resealed packs from them including an 86 Fleer basketball pack.
    I would not trust purchasing any older unopened from them as I do not believe they actually have the expertise to spot resealed wax.

    Robb
  • Black00SSBlack00SS Posts: 377
    Got my 86 box in the mail today, and it is a beauty. Also got 14 1981 wax racks as well which look great!

    I am literally having a war in my head, trying to resist the urge to rip it all right now.

    HELP, somebody talk me off the edge!!
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭
    It looks like BBCE just added some more 1986T FB boxes on the site.

    And a 1977T FB box. image

    Snorto~
  • slum22slum22 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭✭
    77 Box sold at $2k and fast. 86 boxes are still there. Wonder how long these will last since they don't seem to labeled as "From Sealed Case".
    Steve
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