Guy coaching team makes $3M...guy announcing the game makes $3M...
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......guy shooting the three pointer to win at the buzzer makes bupkes.
This scam must end.
*I know that we have visited this before on the forum. Takes much of the fun out of March madness for me though.
This scam must end.
*I know that we have visited this before on the forum. Takes much of the fun out of March madness for me though.
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<< <i>......guy shooting the three pointer to win at the buzzer makes bupkes.
This scam must end.
*I know that we have visited this before on the forum. Takes much of the fun out of March madness for me though. >>
On the other hand nice that they play because they like the game.
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<< <i>If the player making bupkes is talented enough, though, he will outearn both announcer and coach combined, though.
True. I recall an example of a star football player going to the Rose Bowl if memory serves. His East Coast family was quite poor and his mom could not afford the $500 to fly out to see him play. School and boosters would have been happy to cover the cost, but NCAA prohibited the deal.
That type of stuff needs to be corrected at the least.
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<< <i>A few years ago there was talk that a certain USC football player actually took a cut in pay when he went pro. >>
Funny but true. Time to clean up the shadows.
<< <i> If you're saying college athletes are underpaid, on that I disagree. >>
For some, the scholarship is sufficient and hopefully they will take advantage of it if they can.
Michigan was the toughest academic school in the state when I lived there. Maybe 10% of college bound students in the state were admitted.
Many illiterate student-athletes though were admitted for their athletic prowess alone. Very few would do well in that elite educational setting and would have been better off with a nominal paycheck.
<< <i>I also am not against allowing athletes on scholarship to be able to earn a little extra spending money by having a part time job. >>
...and let them sign a few autographs and maybe a TV spot or two!
<< <i>Athletes get free college tuition and housing, which is worth $25,000 to $40,000 and more per year. And the vast majority of these players aren't going to be playing in the Pros. If they take advantage of the free college education, that will be worth lots of money over their work lifetime. Considering most of the players on scholarship are riding the bench, and many wouldn't otherwise get into Duke, Stanford, Michigan or even University of Florida without, that sounds like great deal to me.
If you're saying it's ridiculous that college kid's game coach make 10x more than the university president and governor combined, on that I would agree. If Florida State University had a Nobel Prize winning physicist, they'd pay him a fraction of what they pay the assistant head football coach, which says how ridiculous is the academic institution's priorities.
If you're saying the NCAA system is ridiculous and a scandal, I agree. If you're saying college athletes are underpaid, on that I disagree. Getting an all expenses paid chance to get a degree from the University of Michigan, USC or even Southern Mississippi when they wouldn't otherwise go to college is worth six figures over their lifetimes. Try telling someone who owes $100,000 in student loans that college athletes on full scholarship have it unfair. >>
Well stated and spot on, IMO.
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People I used to work for inherited a business from smart, fair, hardworking parents. Proceeded to increase their profits during recession by cutting bonuses, benefits and pay for their employees.
This is within their rights, they did not violate any bargaining agreements.
Sucks a LOT more than OP's complaint about athletes that are getting a free education. MOST of the better ones are getting paid under the table.
A degree (often not legitimately earned) is something that person has for the rest of their life to assist them in earning an income. Pretty good value to someone like me who was only a very talented salesman, but has no college papers.
I really don't give a rats rear end if you want to pay these kids, but let's not devalue the college education that is given them, unlike cash it can't be spent and will ALWAYS be there!
I'm on the fence on this subject overall.
<< <i>I really don't give a rats rear end if you want to pay these kids, but let's not devalue the college education that is given them, unlike cash it can't be spent and will ALWAYS be there! >>
First off, the college education is not given to them. It is earned by their hard work. Give them the option then of foregoing the $30,000 per year in education for a $30,000 paycheck. Many are very poor and the money could help there younger siblings succeed.
It is not a matter of forcing schools to pay athletes but rather letting them. If Old Alma Mater U wants to field a basketball team with true local student athletes, that is to be applauded. If Shmegegy State want to pay a million bucks to a top quarterback prospect, have way with it.
This is but another example of why Socialism mixed with Capitalism always fails. We cannot declare Capitalism when stroking a $3,000,000 check to the coach while handing over a bowl of cold gruel to the players.
<< <i>The problem with that, Joe, is that so many of these kids aren't bright enough to even use the degree they get (if they get one) after they are done playing. Or, they are too caught up with their dream of playing pro and think it will become a reality.
I'm on the fence on this subject overall. >>
If they aren't bright enough to use a degree they get, how does paying them for playing a couple of years help them in the long run? The money will be gone if they're that stupid and nothing has changed.
They are given something that young people rarely realize the value of; OPPORTUNITY! No matter how foolish a person is, having that degree (if they work hard enough to get one) will always be there to help them.
If someone is beyond help, I don't know what to say except what I have already said, pay them if you must, but the VALUE here is the education, it's worth much more than a few years of cash payments.
<< <i>If someone is beyond help, I don't know what to say except what I have already said, pay them if you must, but the VALUE here is the education, it's worth much more than a few years of cash payments. >>
To some the education is priceless to others it is worthless. We don't expect the valedictorian at MIT to run the 40 in 4.3 seconds. Why expect the football player to excel at a top institution such as Notre Dame or Michigan.
Lots of those guys would do better at a community college, but they end up way over their head academically and leave with a worthless degree, if that.
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<< <i>First off, the college education is not given to them. It is earned by their hard work. Give them the option then of foregoing the $30,000 per year in education for a $30,000 paycheck. Many are very poor and the money could help there younger siblings succeed. >>
Of course they have to work. The education is being offered because of their TALENT at a certain athletic ability, not because they are hard workers.
The part about offering them 30 grand in pay in most cases would be a poor decision. A degree is worth more than that in my opinion. What happens after the money is gone? And you are forgetting that the school is now doubling their expenses. They are not going to simply give the money away, the cost would fall upon others who ALSO might not be able to afford it.
If you can assure me that tuition and other expenses don't go up because of this, it could be a good idea, but the profits generated by SOME sports (they don't all turn a profit) helps other student/athletes.
<< <i>If you can assure me that tuition and other expenses don't go up because of this, it could be a good idea, but the profits generated by SOME sports (they don't all turn a profit) helps other student/athletes. >>
Perhaps the $3,000,000 head coach could take a hair cut. If my math is correct, half of that divided by 12 basketball players is $125,000 each.
Certainly not an easy answer to a complex issue, but their is plenty of money available.
Non profit sports are a luxury that all but the elite, richly endowed schools can ill afford. Time to dismantle them. Title XIIII be damned.
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<< <i>Athletes get free college tuition and housing, which is worth $25,000 to $40,000 and more per year. And the vast majority of these players aren't going to be playing in the Pros. If they take advantage of the free college education, that will be worth lots of money over their work lifetime. Considering most of the players on scholarship are riding the bench, and many wouldn't otherwise get into Duke, Stanford, Michigan or even University of Florida without, that sounds like great deal to me.
If you're saying it's ridiculous that college kid's game coach make 10x more than the university president and governor combined, on that I would agree. If Florida State University had a Nobel Prize winning physicist, they'd pay him a fraction of what they pay the assistant head football coach, which says how ridiculous is the academic institution's priorities.
If you're saying the NCAA system is ridiculous and a scandal, I agree. If you're saying college athletes are underpaid, on that I disagree. Getting an all expenses paid chance to get a degree from the University of Michigan, USC or even Southern Mississippi when they wouldn't otherwise go to college is worth six figures over their lifetimes. Try telling someone who owes $100,000 in student loans that college athletes on full scholarship have it unfair. >>
Well stated and spot on, IMO. >>
I Completely agree. I'm going to leave college with over $100,000 in debt in a little over 1 year. No one will ever be able to tell me that athletes need paid on top of a scholarship. Not having to pay for college already gives them a leg up on me cause they're not going to spend the next 10 years paying off loans. Id say that's enough of a payment even if they don't go pro.
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<< <i>Do they need lawyers to get them out of jail. Provide that for them too. >>
Please explain how that is relevant to the conversation.
<< <i>Something people that are so gung-ho about paying the college athletes needs to remember is that primarily football, and to some end basketball, pay for allllll of the other sports and activities going on at these schools. Pay 'em and the small programs go away. Not everyone has Phil Knight in their back pocket ya know. >>
Most of them do have Phil Knight in their pocket, or maybe on their pocket. The wretched little swoosh is ubiquitous.
Again your argument goes back to the Socialism of higher education, not the Capitalism. Why should Mr. Basketball subsidize Mr. Lacrosse?
The Lacrosse coach earns maybe 3% of what the Basketball coach does. Why not pay all coaches, men and woman the same?
"Well this is America", I hear you all jumping up and shouting.
Very true.....so pay the fellas that put the butts in the $75 seats along with the pudgy coach that recruited them.
Where else does one get such a training free of charge? How much is that training worth?
In a way, it is sort of an apprenticeship...and those are typically unpaid.
Plus on top of that, they are getting a free education.
Even if they don't make the pros, they are also getting expose to the nation, and this pays off down the rode for them as well. It is always a bonus later on in life that people remember you from being in the Final Four. This could help in all sorts of ways, including getting a leg up on the average joe for a job...even in a non athletic field.
They don't need to be getting paid, while also getting all those other perks.
If a salary is what they want, then they have the choice to go to Europe and get paid...but lose the other perks they would receive from the college exposure. For those claiming free enterprise, they have that choice.
If they feel they are getting ripped off by the college deal...well nobody is holding a gun to their head to stay. But good luck finding such a sweet deal anywhere else....and that is why they don't go anywhere else
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<< <i>Lets also be real here. Do a bunch of college kids really need paid large amounts of money? Ill be honest, if i was making millions of dollars right now while in college, id probably just end up getting in trouble with it. How do you think a bunch of football players would act if they made that kind of money while in school? >>
Same as the idiot NFLers that get arrested each week. I guess by that logic, Justin Beiber and Lindsey Lohan should not get paid for their work either.
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<< <i>Lets also be real here. Do a bunch of college kids really need paid large amounts of money? Ill be honest, if i was making millions of dollars right now while in college, id probably just end up getting in trouble with it. How do you think a bunch of football players would act if they made that kind of money while in school? >>
Same as the idiot NFLers that get arrested each week. I guess by that logic, Justin Beiber and Lindsey Lohan should not get paid for their work either. >>
Well if were going off quality of work, bieber and lohan probably shouldnt get paid at all
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<< <i>Well if were going off quality of work, bieber and lohan probably shouldnt get paid at all >>
You are wise beyond your years.
But....Beiber sells a bunch of tickets when he tours. College sports are a bit more difficult to quantify as lots of fans are paying to see Old Hickory win. Clearly if the same level of athletics were offered with no affiliation to the school, $50 in revenue would be a pipe dream.
Yet, they are the show and if the coach is worth $3,000,000, pay the players their due.
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<< <i>Lets also be real here. Do a bunch of college kids really need paid large amounts of money? Ill be honest, if i was making millions of dollars right now while in college, id probably just end up getting in trouble with it. How do you think a bunch of football players would act if they made that kind of money while in school? >>
Same as the idiot NFLers that get arrested each week. I guess by that logic, Justin Beiber and Lindsey Lohan should not get paid for their work either. >>
Not sure about your state, but here the state run schools would not get the ok from the public to allow those college kids to get much more than a living wage...
<< <i>Not sure about your state, but here the state run schools would not get the ok from the public to allow those college kids to get much more than a living wage... >>
..and I hope that my state would do the same. Academics should come first. Athletics third.
Choice though should be the schools and those that make the decisions on their behalf.
I am 7 miles down the road from the U of Arizona. I have no illusion that the 1 seed basketball team is made up of local students that excelled in the game. These are carefully recruited athletes that though unpaid are more pro than not. Wish them well, but really don't care how they perform.
<< <i>Michigan was the toughest academic school in the state when I lived there. Maybe 10% of college bound students in the state were admitted.
Many illiterate student-athletes though were admitted for their athletic prowess alone. Very few would do well in that elite educational setting and would have been better off with a nominal paycheck. >>
How many is "many?" Do you have facts to support this?
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<< <i>Michigan was the toughest academic school in the state when I lived there. Maybe 10% of college bound students in the state were admitted.
Many illiterate student-athletes though were admitted for their athletic prowess alone. Very few would do well in that elite educational setting and would have been better off with a nominal paycheck. >>
How many is "many?" Do you have facts to support this? >>
Based on post game interviews, 1/3 is probably reasonable.
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<< <i>Michigan was the toughest academic school in the state when I lived there. Maybe 10% of college bound students in the state were admitted.
Many illiterate student-athletes though were admitted for their athletic prowess alone. Very few would do well in that elite educational setting and would have been better off with a nominal paycheck. >>
How many is "many?" Do you have facts to support this? >>
Based on post game interviews, 1/3 is probably reasonable. >>
Translation: Who needs facts when you have opinion? LOL..
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Want to convince me that most of the Michigan players would have been admitted to the school without their athletic ability, not true by a long shot. SAT scores are irrelevant when a fellow can drain triples.
We all like to think of our favorite schools as centers of learning that uphold high moral standards and have an elite football team.
Great memories, but most of that went out with bearskin coats and Boola Boola.
Time to pay the players.
Hockey and baseball aren't big revenue sports. MLB anf NHL are doing just fine with their minor league systems.
OH BOY! No one is going to like that idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>If the players are too stupid to benefit from a college education maybe it's time for the colleges to get out of the sports business altogether, after all they are schools and should stick to education and stop being a minor league for basketball and football.
Hockey and baseball aren't big revenue sports. MLB anf NHL are doing just fine with their minor league systems.
OH BOY! No one is going to like that idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
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<< <i>If the players are too stupid to benefit from a college education maybe it's time for the colleges to get out of the sports business altogether, after all they are schools and should stick to education and stop being a minor league for basketball and football.
Hockey and baseball aren't big revenue sports. MLB anf NHL are doing just fine with their minor league systems.
OH BOY! No one is going to like that idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
I like the idea. Short of that, they need to get out of the public funding business.
You don't wanna pay the players directly? Fine. At least eliminate the stupid rules barring players from making money from their own likenesses. Why on earth should Johnny Football not be allowed to sign his name for cash if somebody wants to pay him?
* - I'll point out here, as I always do in these threads, that not every athlete is on scholarship and that not all who are, are on a full one.
<< <i>College basketball players are over compensated as is. There is no reason to pay them. I have never heard of a high school basketball player begrudgingly accepting a scholarship and I have never heard of a high school basketball player being forced into playing for a college. They should honor their commitments with the team at the salary they agreed to when they made their commitment to play for the school. If you want anything to change you need to convince high school players to no longer commit to colleges. But who will do that? No one. Passing up 6 figures in compensation playing NCAA basketball is just moronic. >>
This, of course, ignores the fact that players aren't allowed to go straight from high school into the NBA like they can MLB or the NHL.
<< <i>This, of course, ignores the fact that players aren't allowed to go straight from high school into the NBA like they can MLB or the NHL. >>
There are plenty of professional leagues that will hire skilled basketball players out of high school. They will get paid exactly what an 18 year old high school graduate who is skilled at basketball deserves, not much.
None of this matters though. When these young men make a commitment to [insert school here] they know the rules and they know EXACTLY what their salary will be. Yet they go.
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What to go backwards in time though, enjoy the journey.
<< <i>Fresh out of high school Lebron, Koby and Kevin had significant NBA contracts. >>
..and if the NBA eligibility restrictions were the same then as they are today they would have opted for college.
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There are plenty of professional leagues that will hire skilled basketball players out of high school. They will get paid exactly what an 18 year old high school graduate who is skilled at basketball deserves, not much. >>
And there we have it. You resent the idea of 18 year old basketball players getting a lot of money. Has nothing to do with what's actually right. You're OK with arbitrary decisions like banning new high school graduates from the NBA because the players deserve "not much". Who cares if other college students on scholarship face none of those same arbitrary limits?
I give up on this "amateur" sport. Time to go out for a nice hike instead....
Game on!
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<< <i>The president of Northwestern stated he will cut the football program if the appeal is unsuccessful. So I guess it's a win for the players? >>
For the better players, yes. Weed out the schools that place academics ahead of the out of control sports programs.
Concentrate the top athletes with the pay to play universities.
<< <i>For the better players, yes. Weed out the schools that place academics ahead of the out of control sports programs.
Concentrate the top athletes with the pay to play universities. >>
So the end game is to get a college football semi-pro league of 12-16 schools all with paid athletes and then every other school can just focus on academics? Sounds fun.
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<< <i>NLRB rules in favor of players union at Northwestern.
Game on! >>
Now the employee-athlete has to pay taxes on their scholarships.
Welcome to the real world, fellas.
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<< <i>For the better players, yes. Weed out the schools that place academics ahead of the out of control sports programs.
Concentrate the top athletes with the pay to play universities. >>
So the end game is to get a college football semi-pro league of 12-16 schools all with paid athletes and then every other school can just focus on academics? Sounds fun. >>
Love to see my local school dump the $3,000,000 coaches and get back to teaching.
Greed killed the Golden Goose.
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<< <i>For the better players, yes. Weed out the schools that place academics ahead of the out of control sports programs.
Concentrate the top athletes with the pay to play universities. >>
So the end game is to get a college football semi-pro league of 12-16 schools all with paid athletes and then every other school can just focus on academics? Sounds fun. >>
Love to see my local school dump the $3,000,000 coaches and get back to teaching.
Greed killed the Golden Goose. >>
Quite a hyperbolic summation there, LOL..
The system has worked fine for decades now and the best players still get their just rewards at the appropriate time. No need to reinvent the wheel, or worry about how much the announcers or coach are making, imo. Just enjoy the games!
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<< <i>The system has worked fine for decades now and the best players still get their just rewards at the appropriate time. >>
Was a huge Lute Olson fan when I moved to Tucson 20 years ago. He never earned over a million bucks and was beloved in this city.
Different game today than it was 20 years ago. Not a question of forcing schools to pay players, but allowing them to. Break up the collusion and let a player earn an honest paycheck for their effort.