<< <i>For at least the 70's stuff, you could get a premium for the box vs the pack price. Condition should or could play a part in the pricing.
aconte >>
+1
A complete box especially from the 1970's holds a premium to the sum of the packs. Of course, if the box is in poor condition and the packs have issues it will sell at a discount. Lots of recent sales on eBay to help you gauge the market plus Jeff's link to BBCE's buy prices are helpful for items you can't find.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>It's been awhile since I've done a show (23 yrs ago was my last). Don't they still require a resale #? >>
I attended this promoters show a few weeks ago and I asked him the same question. He told me since he charges admission then his resell # covers the whole show. But he did state each dealer is responsible to submit and pay SC sales tax.
I remember the old days when I did the Valley Forge show in Pa. there was always the threat of the yellow vans swooping in and loading up your inventory if you didn't have a tax-id. I always applied for a out of state vendor permit when doing shows in Pittsburg and Philly.
<< <i>All good advice. Yes definitely secure some cases and sign up for a square account so you can receive credit card payments.
Sorry to stay on this but I have another question. I won't sign up for a square account for credit cards .... mostly because I am technologically inept and would definately screw it up.
Outside of cash transactions, are there any other options I should consider? Personal checks, PayPal, etc?
<< <i>All good advice. Yes definitely secure some cases and sign up for a square account so you can receive credit card payments.
Sorry to stay on this but I have another question. I won't sign up for a square account for credit cards .... mostly because I am technologically inept and would definately screw it up.
Outside of cash transactions, are there any other options I should consider? Personal checks, PayPal, etc?
Thanks, as always >>
I would not do personal checks at the show unless you personally know the guy, no pun intended. When I go to a show, I use cash and paypal only so I think those are two good options. I would be sure to have a smart phone in order to check that the paypal payment went through though.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>My word .... I am speechless. Uhmmmmm, there is no way I can go thru all the PMs. I am a rookie no doubt, but did not expect this response.
I came to the boards asking for some show advise and now I am totally confused by all this. Now I am understanding why the show promoter asked for my list so he can put on his website and preview with a few of his key customers. ....... >>
Are you still going to setup at the local Greenville show?
I just got this email from the show promoter, It didn't really emphasize the old wax that much.
If you're still setting up at the show good luck and I might see you there.
Paul
**** Email sent by promoter below****
This Saturday - March 22nd is our 20th Anniversary Spring Greenville Sports Card and Comic Book show Always one of our BEST SHOWS! We're again at the Clarion Inn and Suites at 50 Orchard Park Drive. I-385 at exit 39. The time is 10am until 4pm. Thousands of new and vintage sports cards and comic books, plus old and new wax, supplies and much much more. This show will also have tons of autograph card, graded cards, Atlanta Braves cards and vintage wax with Walter Peyton and Wayne Gretzky RCs and tons of dollar comics all the way up to Golden Age and Silver Age keys
Square is unbelievably easy to use- much more so that a standard credit card terminal (where you have to run the card and then batch all the transactions to get paid) If you can swipe a credit card you can use square- you see what is going on, confirm it all works, and as soon as you accept the transaction the money is on the way to your bank. Signing up is free, the card reader is free, and you can practice by making some $1 transaction on your own card. It's got a 5 second learning curve.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>Square is unbelievably easy to use- much more so that a standard credit card terminal (where you have to run the card and then batch all the transactions to get paid) If you can swipe a credit card you can use square- you see what is going on, confirm it all works, and as soon as you accept the transaction the money is on the way to your bank. Signing up is free, the card reader is free, and you can practice by making some $1 transaction on your own card. It's got a 5 second learning curve. >>
I always wondered if show dealers had to worry about scammers trying to do credit card charge backs like you see on Ebay. Anyone know if this is a problem or have advice if you plan on using Square to sell expensive cards or wax at a show.
Hi everyone. This card show was Saturday (yes Paul, your invitation was for the show I was at). There wasn't a whole lot of sports card traffic and the veterans told me it was because of March Madness, spring weather and a focus on comic books. I wanted to give ya'll a quick summary. Even though I didn't sell much at all I wanted the primary point to be that I had a BLAST! Not sure I'll do it again but glad I was able to take this off my bucket list.
Glad you enjoyed the experience Rick even if my paypal explanation ended up being for not. I think you'll be able to sell a bunch of stuff on the B/S/T and getting them authenticated by BBCE will be worth the added value you'll receive. Good luck!!!
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Can you post jpegs straight from my documents or do you need to use that photo bucket thing? >>
Glad you enjoyed the experience .
To post pics, you'll need to have them stored somewhere like Photobucket or a similar online picture-hosting site. Then in your reply, you click the picture icon (it's to the right of the underline icon) and a popup box will prompt you for the web address of the picture.
I set up at my local card show this weekend as well. Got there an none of the usual suspects, except for a few, were set up selling. I thought to myself this is not going to be a great morning at all. Most of the heavy hitters went north to the Sun Times show. However, it totally played in my favor because I had quite a bit of vintage to push and there wasn't much there. So...I ended up doing better than I ever had before, including holiday shows. I barely had any time to sit down because there were constantly people at my table.
The only thing I can't figure out how to solve is this...
I had several "old timers" who were set builders come to my table and spent a couple of hours digging through my dime boxes. I don't mind, that's why they were there, but they were blocking people from getting to some of my stuff. Not sure how to allow them to dig through and then give space for others to come in. Several guys were trying to get in on what I had, but couldn't.
I'm thinking I just might need to put those boxes down on the end so they can be out of the way.
I thought I would do an update to this for those that care. Rick and I have met a couple times and have been talking what to do with these boxes. Rick decided to send the boxes to BBCE for Steve to authenticate. Since I have been sending Steve quite a few boxes in the last few months I packed these and sent them in for Rick. We sent 21 boxes. Of the 21, 4 came back as no good: 77 baseball, 78 football, 80-81 hockey and 81 Donruss golf. There was also a 83 Topps baseball vending box that Steve said that since he didn't see it come from a sealed case he couldn't authenticate it. He couldn't say whether it was good or bad. When I met with Rick this afternoon to return the boxes we opened 4 of the 1977 packs. We found 2 different sizes of gum. The good news is that Rick now has some nice boxes that he knows are good. Below are pictures. The first two are of the boxes before I packed them to ship out. The last two are of the BBCE sealed boxes. James
Bummer about the 77 box. The 79 box and the others look great in that BBCE wrap though. Congratulations to Rick on that one and all the others making it through authentication. That is a great looking collection!
Anyone remember Clint Eastwood's 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly?' ..... 'The Good' is that some key boxes were certified. 'The Bad' is that some key boxes were not certified. 'The Ugly' are the people who intentionally reseal boxes and sell to honest ebayers. UGH!!!!!
Here are a few final thoughts on the boxes.....know that I bought these all off ebay about 5 or 6 years ago
1. Thanks to James (JFKHEAT) for his local assistance and support in helping me figure out what boxes were real and what weren't. Thanks James. 2. MAD at the people who intentionally resealed boxes and sold them to us honest ebayers. Not sure how they can sleep at night. 3. More than EVER I am not sure how you're supposed to buy unopened packs off ebay and feel 100% safe. I can honestly say I will NEVER buy any unopened without some certification (for obvious reasons) 4. The one I am most pissed about is the 77 baseball box .... Steve said is was completely home made with wrappers off a roll. 5. The 1980/81 Topps Hockey wax box and 1978 Topps football wax box .... Steve said they had some packs that were good but not all 6. The 1981 Donruss Golf box ... he said he wasn't sure if he's ever seen a resealed box of these. 7. I am happy that the rest were ok but, man, I need to shake off the frustration
It gets worse ..... A veteran board member asked to buy some of the 1972 unopened packs. After hearing the wax box bad news I was fearful the same thing happened with the 72 packs. Well, he asks to buy 3 so I send him 12 to pick out the ones he liked best. All resealed. Even though he suggested that I might send to Steve to verify, this veterans opinion is all I need to hear.
So, in the end I have about 50% of the value I originally thought I had....maybe less.
I am happy that I didn't sell much at the local card show because I DO NOT want others to feel how I feel.
Horrible news of those 4 boxes Rick. I actually think you did pretty well with the amount of bad unopened on eBay and with the way prices are going it is only getting worse. I remember when those 1977 Topps Baseball wax pack wrapper rolls were being used by some guys in California to make bad packs. They got a bunch into GAI holders IIRC. I am really hesitant to buy any 1977 Topps Baseball wax boxes off eBay because of that. Luckily I purchased both of my 1977 boxes from BBCE with one coming from a sealed case.
Good luck on your future sales as you still have some really nice boxes there.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Despite the few bad ones, great news on most of those boxes, Congrats!
I wonder how long it will be before some crook out there figures out how to make counterfeit BBCE shrink wrap? >>
I'm sure they are already trying with the prices they are fetching these days. Of course, a second layer of defense might be the handwritting on the BBCE labels. I don't know if BBCE uses the same person to write all the labels or not, but it would be something else to compare to boxes we get directly from BBCE. Of course, if they had my handwriting, no resealer would be able to replicate it.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
I think the key, like Mike had said, would be the handwriting on the label. I'm sure if there was any question as to the authenticity, Steve would tell you whether the box was the handwriting of him or one of his employees.
We've already seen Steve's label counterfeited, so its just a matter of time before the cellophane wrapping is too.
<< <i>Then they could skip the packs altogether and just wrap a couple bricks in an empty box and away they go. >>
I thought of that too, but they would need to be sure the box wouldn't be open. If one were to rip it open and find bricks, that seller would have a major mail fraud issue. It is one thing for a seller to say they didn't know the packs were resealed, but it is completely another story when no packs are in the box at all. You could easily press charges if that happened and they would have to show they bought it from someone else. I think most would still reseal packs and claim ignorance when confronted. Just my 2 cents.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Comments
<< <i>For at least the 70's stuff, you could get a premium for the box vs the pack price. Condition should or could play a part in the pricing.
aconte >>
+1
A complete box especially from the 1970's holds a premium to the sum of the packs. Of course, if the box is in poor condition and the packs have issues it will sell at a discount. Lots of recent sales on eBay to help you gauge the market plus Jeff's link to BBCE's buy prices are helpful for items you can't find.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>It's been awhile since I've done a show (23 yrs ago was my last).
Don't they still require a resale #? >>
I attended this promoters show a few weeks ago and I asked him the same question. He told me since he charges admission then his resell # covers the whole show. But he did state each dealer is responsible to submit and pay SC sales tax.
I remember the old days when I did the Valley Forge show in Pa. there was always the threat of the yellow vans swooping in and loading up your inventory if you didn't have a tax-id. I always applied for a out of state vendor permit when doing shows in Pittsburg and Philly.
<< <i>All good advice. Yes definitely secure some cases and sign up for a square account so you can receive credit card payments.
Sorry to stay on this but I have another question. I won't sign up for a square account for credit cards .... mostly because I am technologically inept and would definately screw it up.
Outside of cash transactions, are there any other options I should consider? Personal checks, PayPal, etc?
Thanks, as always
<< <i>
<< <i>All good advice. Yes definitely secure some cases and sign up for a square account so you can receive credit card payments.
Sorry to stay on this but I have another question. I won't sign up for a square account for credit cards .... mostly because I am technologically inept and would definately screw it up.
Outside of cash transactions, are there any other options I should consider? Personal checks, PayPal, etc?
Thanks, as always >>
I would not do personal checks at the show unless you personally know the guy, no pun intended. When I go to a show, I use cash and paypal only so I think those are two good options. I would be sure to have a smart phone in order to check that the paypal payment went through though.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>My word .... I am speechless. Uhmmmmm, there is no way I can go thru all the PMs. I am a rookie no doubt, but did not expect this response.
I came to the boards asking for some show advise and now I am totally confused by all this. Now I am understanding why the show promoter asked for my list so he can put on his website and preview with a few of his key customers. ....... >>
Are you still going to setup at the local Greenville show?
I just got this email from the show promoter, It didn't really emphasize the old wax that much.
If you're still setting up at the show good luck and I might see you there.
Paul
**** Email sent by promoter below****
This Saturday - March 22nd is our 20th Anniversary Spring Greenville Sports Card and Comic Book show
Always one of our BEST SHOWS! We're again at the Clarion Inn and Suites at 50 Orchard Park Drive. I-385 at exit 39. The time is 10am until 4pm.
Thousands of new and vintage sports cards and comic books, plus old and new wax, supplies and much much more.
This show will also have tons of autograph card, graded cards, Atlanta Braves cards and vintage wax with Walter Peyton and Wayne Gretzky RCs and tons of dollar comics all the way up to Golden Age and Silver Age keys
We hope to see you there!
If you can swipe a credit card you can use square- you see what is going on, confirm it all works, and as soon as you accept the transaction the money is on the way to your bank.
Signing up is free, the card reader is free, and you can practice by making some $1 transaction on your own card. It's got a 5 second learning curve.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>Square is unbelievably easy to use- much more so that a standard credit card terminal (where you have to run the card and then batch all the transactions to get paid)
If you can swipe a credit card you can use square- you see what is going on, confirm it all works, and as soon as you accept the transaction the money is on the way to your bank.
Signing up is free, the card reader is free, and you can practice by making some $1 transaction on your own card. It's got a 5 second learning curve. >>
I always wondered if show dealers had to worry about scammers trying to do credit card charge backs like you see on Ebay. Anyone know if this is a problem or have advice if you plan on using Square to sell expensive cards or wax at a show.
Thanks
Paul
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
PM'd
<< <i>Can you post jpegs straight from my documents or do you need to use that photo bucket thing? >>
Glad you enjoyed the experience
To post pics, you'll need to have them stored somewhere like Photobucket or a similar online picture-hosting site. Then in your reply, you click the picture icon (it's to the right of the underline icon) and a popup box will prompt you for the web address of the picture.
Just PM me if you run into any problems.
I set up at my local card show this weekend as well. Got there an none of the usual suspects, except for a few, were set up selling. I thought to myself this is not going to be a great morning at all. Most of the heavy hitters went north to the Sun Times show. However, it totally played in my favor because I had quite a bit of vintage to push and there wasn't much there. So...I ended up doing better than I ever had before, including holiday shows. I barely had any time to sit down because there were constantly people at my table.
The only thing I can't figure out how to solve is this...
I had several "old timers" who were set builders come to my table and spent a couple of hours digging through my dime boxes. I don't mind, that's why they were there, but they were blocking people from getting to some of my stuff. Not sure how to allow them to dig through and then give space for others to come in. Several guys were trying to get in on what I had, but couldn't.
I'm thinking I just might need to put those boxes down on the end so they can be out of the way.
James
Here are a few final thoughts on the boxes.....know that I bought these all off ebay about 5 or 6 years ago
1. Thanks to James (JFKHEAT) for his local assistance and support in helping me figure out what boxes were real and what weren't. Thanks James.
2. MAD at the people who intentionally resealed boxes and sold them to us honest ebayers. Not sure how they can sleep at night.
3. More than EVER I am not sure how you're supposed to buy unopened packs off ebay and feel 100% safe. I can honestly say I will NEVER buy any unopened without some certification (for obvious reasons)
4. The one I am most pissed about is the 77 baseball box .... Steve said is was completely home made with wrappers off a roll.
5. The 1980/81 Topps Hockey wax box and 1978 Topps football wax box .... Steve said they had some packs that were good but not all
6. The 1981 Donruss Golf box ... he said he wasn't sure if he's ever seen a resealed box of these.
7. I am happy that the rest were ok but, man, I need to shake off the frustration
It gets worse ..... A veteran board member asked to buy some of the 1972 unopened packs. After hearing the wax box bad news I was fearful the same thing happened with the 72 packs. Well, he asks to buy 3 so I send him 12 to pick out the ones he liked best. All resealed. Even though he suggested that I might send to Steve to verify, this veterans opinion is all I need to hear.
So, in the end I have about 50% of the value I originally thought I had....maybe less.
I am happy that I didn't sell much at the local card show because I DO NOT want others to feel how I feel.
Thanks for listening ......
Good luck on your future sales as you still have some really nice boxes there.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Despite the few bad ones, great news on most of those boxes, Congrats!
I wonder how long it will be before some crook out there figures out how to make counterfeit BBCE shrink wrap?
<< <i>Despite the few bad ones, great news on most of those boxes, Congrats!
I wonder how long it will be before some crook out there figures out how to make counterfeit BBCE shrink wrap? >>
I'm sure they are already trying with the prices they are fetching these days. Of course, a second layer of defense might be the handwritting on the BBCE labels. I don't know if BBCE uses the same person to write all the labels or not, but it would be something else to compare to boxes we get directly from BBCE. Of course, if they had my handwriting, no resealer would be able to replicate it.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Then they could skip the packs altogether and just wrap a couple bricks in an empty box and away they go.
We've already seen Steve's label counterfeited, so its just a matter of time before the cellophane wrapping is too.
<< <i>Then they could skip the packs altogether and just wrap a couple bricks in an empty box and away they go. >>
I thought of that too, but they would need to be sure the box wouldn't be open. If one were to rip it open and find bricks, that seller would have a major mail fraud issue. It is one thing for a seller to say they didn't know the packs were resealed, but it is completely another story when no packs are in the box at all. You could easily press charges if that happened and they would have to show they bought it from someone else. I think most would still reseal packs and claim ignorance when confronted. Just my 2 cents.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.