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Do you think when selling a graded card...

...You have an obligation to elaborate the cause of this grade. For example, card is graded PSA 5.5 EX+ due likely to top right corner bend, etc---especially if said issue might not be clearly visible in scan (even with a nice scan).

Or, should the buyer be aware that an EX+ card is going to have an issue like this, hence the grade, and therefore the seller is only responsible to state the grade assigned to the card by the TPG. Hope this makes sense.

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  • 76collector76collector Posts: 986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure about "obligation" but I would rather be very clear in my descriptions to avoid having an unhappy customer and negative experience, possibly negative feedback
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  • ClockworkAngelClockworkAngel Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭
    No obligation whatsoever. Most major auction houses won't. That being said, I will get an occasional E-mail asking a question about the card and why it's the grade it is, and I will tell the buyer at that point...
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  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭
    I'm a buyer and agree there is zero obligation. When I buy a card in that grade I assume it to have the type of issues for that grade. I hope scans are clear enough to reveal, but if not it's really on me to decide if it's worth the money. That being said, all info is appreciated. I've thought I've bought some bumpables, but when they arrive, they are simply what you'd expect for grade. That's fine. Though on a few I paid a higher price on expectation of scan, and sometimes a description that may lead one to believe it's undergraded, only to find some print issue etc. that surely seals its fate to that grade. I often wonder if some scans are intentionally altered and/or description embellished...never right?

    Regardless, it's always buyer beware. But PSA grade limits burnage since I'm never gonna pay 7 prices for a 5, but I may pay 5.5-6 price. If I feel somewhat burned on arrival, it's on me, but depending, I may be skeptical of buying from that seller again.

    But that's what you get with eBay, and why I prefer to buy on the board from other collectors.
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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From reading the many comments from various sources, in some cases it does not matter how detailed a description may be or how clear a pix is. Once the card arrives for the buyers review the card is looked upon in a different way. Could be a hands on/close up view or the way it is viewed under the lighting at the buyers home that changes their perception of it's appeal. I know cards look a bit different to me when viewed at a show compared to my home lighting. With the many different types of lighting, this could be a factor. As an indoor painter paint appearance will differ on a surface dependant on the type of lighting it is exposed to. Just as sunlight and artificial light will make the color seem different. Which is why when buying indoor paint the paint samples should be exposed to the different types of lighting available. Could also be buyers remorse. (or the wifes remorse once she finds out the price you paid). No matter the reason. If the buyer labels it not as described, the buyer gets the refund. So the best you as a seller can do is to be as descriptive as possible, and hope it is sufficient enough, that you've done your best. Then if it's returned your conscience is at least clear.
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  • Obligation..none. In so far as posting a pic. High res.
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    A better question might be, should a seller disclose they enhance their scans and the cards may not appear
    'as sharp' as what the customers will receive? The answer to this is YES, but few do and most won't admit
    they sharpen up corners and whiten up borders.

    As far as the OP's question, on a mid grade card, you can assume it has some issues already and the
    seller doesn't need to disclose more unless they feel like it or the grade really is an overgrade and they want to
    be completely honest with the potential buyers. But obligation, no.

    PSA or whoever the grading company is has already graded the item. That's why we pay them for their service.

    However, a good, honest, unenhanced scan would only help.
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭
    Another way to look at it....

    If you were buying a card off of eBay, wouldn't you want the seller to describe it as accurately as they could (in addition to hires scan) so you could make a fair assessment before you purchased it? I would, so I always "over describe" graded cards in my listings. If there's something wrong with the card (in any grade), it will definitely get mentioned in my write-up.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    ^^^^^^^^

    THIS!
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't like returns, so if I notice something that would bother me as a buyer, I mention it in the description and provide extra scans.

    Just makes sense to me to let the buyer know what he's getting and avoid the headache when he feels like he has been deceived.
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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    I'm not a seller, but as a buyer I look at the grade and expect high res scans of front & back. I don't need any additional info and I understand the inherent risks of buying on eBay.
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