The inveterate fabricator, bruingirl2007
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Nothing kicks off a new week quite like another faux rack from this individual. This time it's Rickey.
From my experiences with 80 Topps, Hendu -- an A card -- should almost always be housed in the cell nearest the header. I say almost because I have seen a paucity of instances (such as this one) where he is located in the far right cell. But tap the brakes and quell the excitement. It's important to remember that if a rack is going to be compromised, this is the location where it will commence. Are there legit, far-right anomalies floating around? It's conceivable, but I personally would not feel comfortable proceeding until I was able to vet the hell out of a seller of such a Henderson rack. And for those just tuning in, when you vet bruingirl, you get filthy rather quickly.
I'm simply leading off the game on this one, so hopefully a big 3 or 4 hitter will corroborate all that I've said and knock me in later today. I loathe this particular seller with every ounce of my being, so if constantly bringing him/her/it to the forefront results in hard-earned money saved, mission accomplished.
From my experiences with 80 Topps, Hendu -- an A card -- should almost always be housed in the cell nearest the header. I say almost because I have seen a paucity of instances (such as this one) where he is located in the far right cell. But tap the brakes and quell the excitement. It's important to remember that if a rack is going to be compromised, this is the location where it will commence. Are there legit, far-right anomalies floating around? It's conceivable, but I personally would not feel comfortable proceeding until I was able to vet the hell out of a seller of such a Henderson rack. And for those just tuning in, when you vet bruingirl, you get filthy rather quickly.
I'm simply leading off the game on this one, so hopefully a big 3 or 4 hitter will corroborate all that I've said and knock me in later today. I loathe this particular seller with every ounce of my being, so if constantly bringing him/her/it to the forefront results in hard-earned money saved, mission accomplished.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
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Wish ebay would shut them down for good.
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Jimmy
<< <i>Nothing kicks off a new week quite like another faux rack from this individual. This time it's Rickey.
From my experiences with 80 Topps, Hendu -- an A card -- should almost always be housed in the cell nearest the header. I say almost because I have seen a paucity of instances (such as this one) where he is located in the far right cell. But tap the brakes and quell the excitement. It's important to remember that if a rack is going to be compromised, this is the location where it will commence. Are there legit, far-right anomalies floating around? It's conceivable, but I personally would not feel comfortable proceeding until I was able to vet the hell out of a seller of such a Henderson rack. And for those just tuning in, when you vet bruingirl, you get filthy rather quickly.
I'm simply leading off the game on this one, so hopefully a big 3 or 4 hitter will corroborate all that I've said and knock me in later today. I loathe this particular seller with every ounce of my being, so if constantly bringing him/her/it to the forefront results in hard-earned money saved, mission accomplished. >>
Wow! Someone who actually is schooled in the art of proper vocabulary and punctuation. The use of word 'loathe' in this instance is particularly apropos.
Gem - in my haste to get to work, I failed to touch on the actual header. But I'm with you. When I see that type, it screams out 80T football.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Jimmy
Edit to add that there may be $125.50 with those 3 star cards, but from the scan, I can't totally tell what kind of shape they are in.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Edit: I see there are similar ones on ebay from two other sellers. I was buying like a maniac in 1980 and I never saw one like this.
<< <i>It also looks like it was sealed with something like this. I can't be 100% sure, but IIRC, the seams have a different type of seal on legit packs, no? >>
I've done better looking seals with a Bic lighter.
<< <i>In 1980, the cell next to the header should house cards from the A and B sheets (middle section should house cards from the C and D sheets and the far right section cards from the E and F sheets). Henderson is from A sheet and should be located in the header section. The vast majority of fake racks have the key card in the far right section as that is the section easiest to tamper with. >>
+1
I did check out the rack in question and the section are the opposite of what you would typically see as indicated above by Tim. The Phillies team card is from the F sheet, the Schmidt is from the D sheet, and, of course, Rickey is from the A sheet. While I could see this possibly happening as Topps had flipped the sequencing of the sections in 1981 and Topps would sometimes misload racks at the factory, this seller has a horrible track record for good reason. The one thing to always keep in mind is that all the cards in a certain section should contain cards from the same two sheets, A/B, C/D, and E/F. I would be curious to see the cards showing on back to determine if they are from the same sheet sequence as the ones on the front.
I think Dave (PaulMaul) touched on a good point which I picked up on right way as well regarding the wrapper. While Topps did in fact begin to use soft plastic headers that wrapper is does not match the graphics used in 1980, but looks like one of the 1981 wrappers to me. I seriously don't buy this seller's story and believe he/she is the one resealing these racks as all of them seem to have issues. I can see uneducated collectors ending up with some bad racks, but this is off the charts.
That second picture is part of the illusion to legitimize the sheer volume of extraordinary racks for sale. Unfortunately, we are only a small fraction of the collecting universe so these racks will continue to sell and flood the market with crap.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The funny part is that the cards on top are in correct sequence for a 1981 rack and that this rack is mistakenly wrapped in 1981 packaging, lol.. >>
Two other ebay sellers have 1980 racks in this packaging...definitely bogus, or could they have changed over mid year?
Link 1
Link 2
"Molon Labe"
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<< <i>The funny part is that the cards on top are in correct sequence for a 1981 rack and that this rack is mistakenly wrapped in 1981 packaging, lol.. >>
Two other ebay sellers have 1980 racks in this packaging...definitely bogus, or could they have changed over mid year?
Link 1
Link 2 >>
The two you linked are the correct packaging, I believe. Note the different barcode and header cards (42 cards@69 cents vs. 48 cards).
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<< <i>The funny part is that the cards on top are in correct sequence for a 1981 rack and that this rack is mistakenly wrapped in 1981 packaging, lol.. >>
Two other ebay sellers have 1980 racks in this packaging...definitely bogus, or could they have changed over mid year?
Link 1
Link 2 >>
The two you linked are the correct packaging, I believe. Note the different barcode and header cards (42 cards@69 cents vs. 48 cards). >>
Yes, these are the correct soft header wrappers they used in 1980 I was referring to above. I do not believe these were originally packaged in a rack box, but in a grocery rack case. It is interesting that the one with no stars showing, link 2 I believe, follows the sequencing of the much more common hard header racks while the one with Pete Rose on top is the mirror image that is typical of the 1981 racks. Would be interested to see a better picture of the back of this rack as well, but it is possible that these racks were loaded differently in different parts of the country.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Nothing beats the time I messaged bruin about a 79T FB rack she had listed with Steve Largent on top. A quick completed listings check on eBay and there it was -- the same card housed in a completely different rack. When I brought it to her attention, she initially played dumb. When I then proceeded to point out palpable edge wear in the exact same spots, she went dead silent and P-O-O-F went the auction soon thereafter.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>In addition to 81T baseball, the 48-card version was used for 80T football as well. But I never, ever remember it being used for 80T baseball. >>
I'll add that the two 1980 baseball racks linked by Dave show the card count as 42 and the price as 69¢ which agrees to their hard header brothers.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>In addition to 81T baseball, the 48-card version was used for 80T football as well. But I never, ever remember it being used for 80T baseball. >>
I'll add that the two 1980 baseball racks linked by Dave show the card count as 42 and the price as 69¢ which agrees to their hard header brothers. >>
The racks Dave linked to have correct packaging for 1980 (even though Rose is in wrong section) but I've never seen an authentic 1980 rack in 1981 packaging. I'm guessing that's all they had on hand, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>In addition to 81T baseball, the 48-card version was used for 80T football as well. But I never, ever remember it being used for 80T baseball. >>
I'll add that the two 1980 baseball racks linked by Dave show the card count as 42 and the price as 69¢ which agrees to their hard header brothers. >>
The racks Dave linked to have correct packaging for 1980 (even though Rose is in wrong section) but I've never seen an authentic 1980 rack in 1981 packaging. I'm guessing that's all they had on hand, lol.. >>
Winner, winner, spicy chicken dinner.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Just a thought. I don't know enough about unopened packs, but because of what I had read here, I would steer clear of this seller. I'd probably be apt to let unsuspecting buyers know of what I thought of them too.
<< <i>And on cue another round of 3-pack auctions from the endless supply of daddy's collection.. >>
Sickening.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Does everyone here know that you can identify the high bidder of an auction? if someone really wanted to reach out to winners of auctions like this, they simply need to place a single bid early on and wait. At the end, they can contact the winner and share their thoughts and opinions. This can be done the minute the listing ends, perhaps even before the person pays for the item.
Just a thought. I don't know enough about unopened packs, but because of what I had read here, I would steer clear of this seller. I'd probably be apt to let unsuspecting buyers know of what I thought of them too. >>
Unfortunately, doing so may result in your account be suspended, as ebay prohibits contacting other members in that regard.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
1/18/14 - "Pleasant seller to deal with. Your dad had a terrific collection." His pride must runneth over.
9/12/13 - "Packs arrived safely. Very nice . Thanks to you and your mom." Mom, too?
8/7/13 - "GOURGEOUS PACKS FROM A GORGEOUS GAL.! THANKS NIKKI.!" Really?
9/11/13 (82T rack with three Nolans on top) - "unique rack-pack rec'd promptly and in good shape" More unique than you'll ever know.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
You just can't make this stuff up.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Their chief comes to their hut and informs the fake pack sellers that they have a choice: death or chi-chi.
The first fake pack seller says: “Chi-chi, of course.”
There ensues three days of screams, moans, pleadings, whimpers, then silence.
The chief comes to the hut to speak with the second fake pack seller. He picks chi-chi, too.
Three more days of shrieks and begging, then silence.
The chief comes to the third fake pack seller.
“Which do you choose, death or chi-chi?”
“I’ve heard too much,” says the fake pack seller. “I’ll take death.”
“A very wise choice,” says the chief, who then adds with a sad smile: “But first, chi-chi.”
Also, what's the best way to store a rack?
<< <i>9/11/13 (82T rack with three Nolans on top) - "unique rack-pack rec'd promptly and in good shape" More unique than you'll ever know. >>
from this thread.
I know someone on the boards was designing a rack pack holder, but haven't seen any updates in a long time. I'll have to see if I can dig up the old thread.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Bummer. I don't recall from which buyer I bought this rack, but I'm hoping it's good. Are there ways to tell if it's been tampered with?
Also, what's the best way to store a rack?
That rack is ridiculously cool! I would have been the king of collecting if I had owned that rack in 1988.
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<< <i>I was blocked by this seller for calling "her" out on the fake rack packs. I report them to ebay all the time but they never pull them. Why should they care as long as they get their cut. >>
+1 Just a bunch of money grubbers sitting in San Jose who could care less about fraud.
<< <i>Where is Waverly when you need him most??? That's right... He's picking daisies >>
Wow. That's a little harsh since the guy's dead now. I have purchased bad packs, even from fellow board members. I have a suspicion that at least one of them knew a pack was bad but he passed it on anyway (it was sold right after all the Jose/Pepis stuff became known). I also have a very nice recolored 71 Jenkins that I bought from Waverly. Life's short - gotta move on.