Is there a better rookie crop than from 1987?
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I was mulling over this in some scanning pattern, and it seemed to me that 1987 has one the best rookie crops that I can recall. This is the list:
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Barry Larkin
Greg Maddux
Ruben Sierra
Pete Incagvilia
Bo Jackson
Rafael Palmeiro
Kevin Mitchell
Cory Snyder
John Kruk
Mike Greenfield
Devon White
BJ Surhoff
ok maybe some of these guys did not pan out the way we had hopes. But its an impressive rookie class. Is there a better one?
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Barry Larkin
Greg Maddux
Ruben Sierra
Pete Incagvilia
Bo Jackson
Rafael Palmeiro
Kevin Mitchell
Cory Snyder
John Kruk
Mike Greenfield
Devon White
BJ Surhoff
ok maybe some of these guys did not pan out the way we had hopes. But its an impressive rookie class. Is there a better one?
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<< <i>I was mulling over this in some scanning pattern, and it seemed to me that 1987 has one the best rookie crops that I can recall. This is the list:
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Barry Larkin
Greg Maddux
Ruben Sierra
Pete Incagvilia
Bo Jackson
Rafael Palmeiro
Kevin Mitchell
Cory Snyder
John Kruk
Mike Greenfield
Devon White
BJ Surhoff
ok maybe some of these guys did not pan out the way we had hopes. But its an impressive rookie class. Is there a better one? >>
Yes there is, but not from baseball. Best rookie crop is 1990 hockey. It is hands down far and away the best rookie card class for one year from one sport as far as total talent goes and highest percentage of HOF. (Some may argue that the 1951 Parkhurst set was bigger w/ RC's but that is a little awkward since the lack of hockey card production in the 1940's meant RC's were all grouped into one set instead of distributed over a number of years, so honorable mention to that set as well I suppose). Unfortunately it is also the most mass-produced and therefore doesn't carry much value.
To name a few:
Martin Brodeur
Curtis Joseph
Mike Richter
Mark Recchi
Jaromir Jagr
Sergei Fedorov
Pavel Bure
Rod Brind'Amour
Kris Draper
Eric Lindros
Rob Blake
Mike Modano
Keith Primeau
Owen Nolan
Peter Nedved
Mats Sundin
Kevin Stevens
Alexander Mogilny
Scott Niedermeyer
Vladimir Konstantinov
Slava Fetisov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Sergei Makarov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Ed Belfour
Jeremy Roenick
Felix Potvin
Peter Bondra
Arturs Irbe
Mike Ricci
Darren Turcotte
Darrien Hatcher
Tie Domi
*Edited to add qualifier to Fetisov and Makarov
Griffey Jr
Randy Johnson
Craig Biggo
John Smoltz
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
Sandy Alomar Jr
Tom Gordon
Deion Sanders
1st 5 are all going to be HOFers! only 2 from 87 but those 87 rookies were sure fun to watch!
<< <i>1989
Griffey Jr
Randy Johnson
Craig Biggo
John Smoltz
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
Sandy Alomar Jr
Tom Gordon
Deion Sanders
1st 5 are all going to be HOFers! only 2 from 87 but those 87 rookies were sure fun to watch! >>
May as well add Curt Schilling to your 1989 list. Honorable mention to Billy FF Ripken.
Frank Robinson
Brooks Robinson
Don Drysdale
Bill Mazeroski
Jim Bunning
Tony Kubek
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1946
Ewell Blackwell, rhp, Reds - 82-78, 3.30 in 10 seasons
Del Ennis, of, Phillies - .284-288-1,284 in 14 seasons
Ralph Kiner, of, Pirates - .279-369-1,015 in 10 seasons
Bob Lemon, rhp, Indians - 207-128, 3.23 in 13 seasons
Warren Spahn, lhp, Braves - 363-245, 3.09 in 21 seasons
1947
Yogi Berra, c, Yankees - .285-358-1,430 in 19 seasons
Jackie Robinson, 1b, Dodgers - .311-137-734 in 10 seasons
Vic Wertz, of, Tigers - .277-266-1,178 in 17 seasons
1948
Richie Ashburn, of, Phillies - .308-29-586 in 15 seasons
Roy Campanella, c, Dodgers - .276-242-856 in 10 seasons
Larry Doby, of, Indians - .283-253-970 in 13 seasons
Gil Hodges, 1b, Dodgers - .273-370-1,274 in 18 seasons
Robin Roberts, rhp, Phillies - 286-245, 3.41 in 19 seasons
1982
Wade Boggs, 3b, Red Sox - .328-118-1,014 in 18 seasons
Chili Davis, of, Giants - .274-350-1,372 in 19 seasons
Kent Hrbek, 1b, Twins - .282-293-1,086 in 14 seasons
Cal Ripken, ss, Orioles - .276-431-1,695 in 21 seasons
Ryne Sandberg, 2b, Cubs - .285-282-1,061 in 16 seasons
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<< <i>Fun thread. Here are some other years where there were some pretty good rookies. (Yes, I had to look them up.)
1946
Ewell Blackwell, rhp, Reds - 82-78, 3.30 in 10 seasons
Del Ennis, of, Phillies - .284-288-1,284 in 14 seasons
Ralph Kiner, of, Pirates - .279-369-1,015 in 10 seasons
Bob Lemon, rhp, Indians - 207-128, 3.23 in 13 seasons
Warren Spahn, lhp, Braves - 363-245, 3.09 in 21 seasons
1947
Yogi Berra, c, Yankees - .285-358-1,430 in 19 seasons
Jackie Robinson, 1b, Dodgers - .311-137-734 in 10 seasons
Vic Wertz, of, Tigers - .277-266-1,178 in 17 seasons
1948
Richie Ashburn, of, Phillies - .308-29-586 in 15 seasons
Roy Campanella, c, Dodgers - .276-242-856 in 10 seasons
Larry Doby, of, Indians - .283-253-970 in 13 seasons
Gil Hodges, 1b, Dodgers - .273-370-1,274 in 18 seasons
Robin Roberts, rhp, Phillies - 286-245, 3.41 in 19 seasons
1982
Wade Boggs, 3b, Red Sox - .328-118-1,014 in 18 seasons
Chili Davis, of, Giants - .274-350-1,372 in 19 seasons
Kent Hrbek, 1b, Twins - .282-293-1,086 in 14 seasons
Cal Ripken, ss, Orioles - .276-431-1,695 in 21 seasons
Ryne Sandberg, 2b, Cubs - .285-282-1,061 in 16 seasons >>
Not sure about the 1982 list here. I guess the question is, was the original intent in the OP to talk best group of rookies from a release year of cards, or from a single year in which it was the first year the players made the pros? That would be where we get Boggs & Sandberg in the same year vs. different year compared to Davis, Hrbek & Ripken.
1. Troy Aikman
3. Barry Sanders
4. Derrick Thomas
5. Deion Sanders
Also in that year:
Steve At-water
Andre Rison
Eric Metcalf
Daryl Johnston
Pete Stoyanovich
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<< <i>Gotta cast my vote for the 1989 NFL class. The first 5 picks of the draft are comprised of 4 HOF players.
1. Troy Aikman
3. Barry Sanders
4. Derrick Thomas
5. Deion Sanders
Also in that year:
Steve At-water
Andre Rison
Eric Metcalf
Daryl Johnston
Pete Stoyanovich >>
Even if they're not HOF, some other good football pulls from packs I remember being happy to get during 1989 were Thurman Thomas, Mark Rypien, Chris Miller, and Rodney Peete.
My vote is definitely still unwaveringly for 1990 hockey though
Edited to add: who the hell is Mike Greenfield??
1951: Mantle, Mays, Ford, Fox, Irvin, Erskine, Garagiola, Jensen
1954: Aaron, Banks, Kaline, Lasorda, Kuenn, Skowron
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Edited to add: who the hell is Mike Greenfield?? >>
The Gator, Mike GreenWELL!
#1 - 86/87 Fleer Basketball: Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Olajuwon, Ewing, Wilkins, Drexler, Isiah, Worthy, Mullin, Dumars
#2 - 1989 Score Football: Barry, Aikman, Deion, Derrick Thomas, Thurman Thomas, Rod Woodson, Michael Irvin, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Bruce Matthews
#3 - 61/62 Fleer Basketball: Chaimberlain, Robertson, West, Baylor, Wilkens, Jones
#4 - 1989 Donruss: Griffey, Johnson, Biggio, Smoltz, Schilling, Sheffield
#5 - 1975 Topps: Brett, Yount, Carter, Rice, Hernandez
Honorable Mentions: 1951 Parkhurst, 05/06 The Cup, 1987 Donruss, 2003 Exquisite Basketball, 1951 Bowman, 1954 Topps
Some of these clearly have the advantage of no other sets produced years prior. Either way, they still reign supreme on a loaded RC crop!! Great thread topic.
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<< <i>I was mulling over this in some scanning pattern, and it seemed to me that 1987 has one the best rookie crops that I can recall. This is the list:
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Barry Larkin
Greg Maddux
Ruben Sierra
Pete Incagvilia
Bo Jackson
Rafael Palmeiro
Kevin Mitchell
Cory Snyder
John Kruk
Mike Greenfield
Devon White
BJ Surhoff
ok maybe some of these guys did not pan out the way we had hopes. But its an impressive rookie class. Is there a better one? >>
Yes there is, but not from baseball. Best rookie crop is 1990 hockey. It is hands down far and away the best rookie card class for one year from one sport as far as total talent goes and highest percentage of HOF. (Some may argue that the 1951 Parkhurst set was bigger w/ RC's but that is a little awkward since the lack of hockey card production in the 1940's meant RC's were all grouped into one set instead of distributed over a number of years, so honorable mention to that set as well I suppose). Unfortunately it is also the most mass-produced and therefore doesn't carry much value.
To name a few:
Martin Brodeur
Curtis Joseph
Mike Richter
Mark Recchi
Jaromir Jagr
Sergei Fedorov
Pavel Bure
Rod Brind'Amour
Kris Draper
Eric Lindros
Rob Blake
Mike Modano
Keith Primeau
Owen Nolan
Peter Nedved
Mats Sundin
Kevin Stevens
Alexander Mogilny
Scott Niedermeyer
Vladimir Konstantinov
Slava Fetisov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Sergei Makarov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Ed Belfour
Jeremy Roenick
Felix Potvin
Peter Bondra
Arturs Irbe
Mike Ricci
Darren Turcotte
Darrien Hatcher
Tie Domi
*Edited to add qualifier to Fetisov and Makarov >>
I just had some serious Sega Genesis flashbacks.
Elway, Marino, Warner, Dickerson, Long, Stephenson, Tippett, Slater, Jackson, Green, Grimm
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<< <i>1984 topps maybe
Elway, Marino, Warner, Dickerson, Long, Stephenson, Tippett, Slater, Jackson, Green, Grimm >>
Plus UsFL Kelly, Young, White
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<< <i>I just had some serious Sega Genesis flashbacks. >>
Which gave me this flashback:
<< <i>Breakfast, shmreakfast. Look at the score, for Christ's sake. It's only the second period and I'm up 12 to 2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, "the Whale," they only beat Vancouver once, maybe twice in a lifetime. >>
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Not sure about the 1982 list here. I guess the question is, was the original intent in the OP to talk best group of rookies from a release year of cards, or from a single year in which it was the first year the players made the pros? That would be where we get Boggs & Sandberg in the same year vs. different year compared to Davis, Hrbek & Ripken. >>
I thought about this as I was writing. Technically Barry Bonds and Will Clark rookies were in 1986. Even Barry Larkin was 1986.
As cards, they all have their first cards in 1986 which would then include Jose Canseco, but I think of his more as 1986 because his rookie card was in the basic set, not in the traded.
So I guess there is a bit of a grey area, depending on how you look at it.
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<< <i>I just had some serious Sega Genesis flashbacks. >>
Which gave me this flashback:
<< <i>Breakfast, shmreakfast. Look at the score, for Christ's sake. It's only the second period and I'm up 12 to 2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, "the Whale," they only beat Vancouver once, maybe twice in a lifetime. >>
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Gotta love Mallrats & Kevin Smith!
<< <i>My voting order for all-time rookie card sets would be:
#1 - 86/87 Fleer Basketball: Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Olajuwon, Ewing, Wilkins, Drexler, Isiah, Worthy, Mullin, Dumars
#2 - 1989 Score Football: Barry, Aikman, Deion, Derrick Thomas, Thurman Thomas, Rod Woodson, Michael Irvin, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, Bruce Matthews
#3 - 61/62 Fleer Basketball: Chaimberlain, Robertson, West, Baylor, Wilkens, Jones
#4 - 1989 Donruss: Griffey, Johnson, Biggio, Smoltz, Schilling, Sheffield
#5 - 1975 Topps: Brett, Yount, Carter, Rice, Hernandez
Honorable Mentions: 1951 Parkhurst, 05/06 The Cup, 1987 Donruss, 2003 Exquisite Basketball, 1951 Bowman, 1954 Topps
Some of these clearly have the advantage of no other sets produced years prior. Either way, they still reign supreme on a loaded RC crop!! Great thread topic. >>
If we're talking sets rather than draft classes, you have to put 1948 Leaf football in the mix:
Sid Luckman (HOF)
Doak Walker (HOF)
Bobby Layne (HOF)
George McAfee (HOF)
Steve Van Buren (HOF)
Bob Waterfield (HOF)
Charley Trippi (HOF)
Sammy Baugh (HOF)
Bill Dudley (HOF)
George Connor (HOF)
Leo Nomellini (HOF)
Chuck Bednarik (HOF)
Pete Pihos (HOF)
Clyde Turner (HOF)
Jackie Jensen (Baseball)
Johnny Lujack
Charlie Justice
Charley Connerly
Much like with 1951 Parkhurst, the 1948 Leaf (and Bowman) set was loaded with rookie cards given there had not been a nationally distributed football set since National Chicle 13 years earlier.
1984 Topps (including USFL) have 13 HOF RCs combined, 1952 Bowman football is no slouch with 11 HOF RC, and 1989 Score boasts 10 if you include the Supplemental set.
Snorto~
<< <i>Joe, that big 3 plus Boyer is quite a list! >>
Three STUDS for sure!
Take a look at Pasqual's stats, he had a nice run. I think he led the league three years in a row in strikeouts. From 1959-64 he was damn good!!
Couple of pretty good managers there as well!
Joe
<< <i>Didn't 89FB also have Tim Brown and Michael Irvin? >>
Yes it did but both of those players were drafted in 1988.
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<< <i>1984 topps maybe
Elway, Marino, Warner, Dickerson, Long, Stephenson, Tippett, Slater, Jackson, Green, Grimm >>
This is the best set ever. Elway and Marino 2 of top 5 Qb's ever, if not 2 of the top 3.
John Elway
Eric Dickerson
Bruce Matthews
Jim Kelly
Dan Marino
Darrell Green
Richard Dent
Other Notable but not HOF players:
Roger Craig
Curt Warner
Henry Ellard
Willie Gault
Dave Duerson
Jim Covert
Ken O'Brien
Mark Clayton
Pretty decent crop there.
<< <i>1989
Griffey Jr
Randy Johnson
Craig Biggo
John Smoltz
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
Sandy Alomar Jr
Tom Gordon
Deion Sanders
1st 5 are all going to be HOFers! only 2 from 87 but those 87 rookies were sure fun to watch! >>
You forgot Gregg Jeffries
Edited to add: who the hell is Mike Greenfield??
Think he meant Mike Greenwell
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Larry Walker
Juan Gonzalez
Joey Belle
Bernie Williams
Deion Sanders
Delino Deshields
Marquis Grissom
Ben McDonald
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<< <i>I've always been partial to '89 baseball (and you're right, Schilling needs to be incl) but after looking at the '75 list that's where my vote goes.
Edited to add: who the hell is Mike Greenfield??
Think he meant Mike Greenwell >>
haha yeah....Greenwell. Its been a while since I committed his name in writing.
If we are talking sets...I would perhaps give the edge to 1987 Donruss:
Greg Maddux
Mark McGwire
Ruben Sierra
Barry Larkin
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Bo Jackson
Randy Myers
Wally Joyner
John Kruk
Devon White
Cory Snyder
Kevin Brown (am I reaching?)
David Cone
Raphael Palmeiro
Mike Greenwell
Matt Williams
Dave Magadan
B. J. Surfhoff
Bobby Witt
Pete Incavigllia
Greg Swindell
Chuck Finley
Now most of these are in Topps and Fleer as well. But the real glaring omission in both those sets if Greg Maddux.
Some players are somewhat biased as I was around when they were on the cusp to greatness.....
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<< <i>1989
Griffey Jr
Randy Johnson
Craig Biggo
John Smoltz
Omar Vizquel
Sheffield
Sandy Alomar Jr
Tom Gordon
Deion Sanders
1st 5 are all going to be HOFers! only 2 from 87 but those 87 rookies were sure fun to watch! >>
You forgot Gregg Jeffries >>
The Jeffries RC's were 1988 (Topps was a year late to the game on that one).
Darren Daulton
Len Dykstra
Cecil Fielder
Mickey Tettleton
?
<< <i>Perhaps this should be a different thread, but are there any worse than 86 Topps BB (as I bust my first of 10 vending boxes) and not including Traded of that year?
Darren Daulton
Len Dykstra
Cecil Fielder
Mickey Tettleton
? >>
If you want to include Vince Coleman who's previous rookie was in the 1985 Topps traded (one of the worst traded sets in that era).
HOFs
Tony Perez
Jim Hunter
Joe Morgan
Steve Carlton
Others that come to mind:
Blue Moon Odom
Paul Blair
Davey Johnson
Cleon Jones
Tommy Agee
Tug McGraw
Denny McLain
Jim Northrup
Rico Petrocelli
1984 football
Marino
Elway
Long
Dickerson
Green
Jackson
Grimm
Kelly USfl
Young USfl
Walker USfl
White USfl
1989
Troy Aikman
Derrick Thomas
Thurman Thomas
Barry sanders
Dion Sanders
Rod Woodson
Michael Irvin
Chris Carter
Tim brown
Eric Allen
Sterling sharpe
Dirmontti Dawson
<< <i>
<< <i>I was mulling over this in some scanning pattern, and it seemed to me that 1987 has one the best rookie crops that I can recall. This is the list:
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Barry Larkin
Greg Maddux
Ruben Sierra
Pete Incagvilia
Bo Jackson
Rafael Palmeiro
Kevin Mitchell
Cory Snyder
John Kruk
Mike Greenfield
Devon White
BJ Surhoff
ok maybe some of these guys did not pan out the way we had hopes. But its an impressive rookie class. Is there a better one? >>
Yes there is, but not from baseball. Best rookie crop is 1990 hockey. It is hands down far and away the best rookie card class for one year from one sport as far as total talent goes and highest percentage of HOF. (Some may argue that the 1951 Parkhurst set was bigger w/ RC's but that is a little awkward since the lack of hockey card production in the 1940's meant RC's were all grouped into one set instead of distributed over a number of years, so honorable mention to that set as well I suppose). Unfortunately it is also the most mass-produced and therefore doesn't carry much value.
To name a few:
Martin Brodeur
Curtis Joseph
Mike Richter
Mark Recchi
Jaromir Jagr
Sergei Fedorov
Pavel Bure
Rod Brind'Amour
Kris Draper
Eric Lindros
Rob Blake
Mike Modano
Keith Primeau
Owen Nolan
Peter Nedved
Mats Sundin
Kevin Stevens
Alexander Mogilny
Scott Niedermeyer
Vladimir Konstantinov
Slava Fetisov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Sergei Makarov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Ed Belfour
Jeremy Roenick
Felix Potvin
Peter Bondra
Arturs Irbe
Mike Ricci
Darren Turcotte
Darrien Hatcher
Tie Domi
>>
Wish they were all in the OPC Premier or Upper Deck set. Amazing rookie class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be honest, no direction, but...
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Yes there is, but not from baseball. Best rookie crop is 1990 hockey. It is hands down far and away the best rookie card class for one year from one sport as far as total talent goes and highest percentage of HOF. (Some may argue that the 1951 Parkhurst set was bigger w/ RC's but that is a little awkward since the lack of hockey card production in the 1940's meant RC's were all grouped into one set instead of distributed over a number of years, so honorable mention to that set as well I suppose). Unfortunately it is also the most mass-produced and therefore doesn't carry much value.
To name a few:
Martin Brodeur
Curtis Joseph
Mike Richter
Mark Recchi
Jaromir Jagr
Sergei Fedorov
Pavel Bure
Rod Brind'Amour
Kris Draper
Eric Lindros
Rob Blake
Mike Modano
Keith Primeau
Owen Nolan
Peter Nedved
Mats Sundin
Kevin Stevens
Alexander Mogilny
Scott Niedermeyer
Vladimir Konstantinov
Slava Fetisov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Sergei Makarov (sort of a cheater RC since he had several Euro issues before his NHL debut)
Ed Belfour
Jeremy Roenick
Felix Potvin
Peter Bondra
Arturs Irbe
Mike Ricci
Darren Turcotte
Darrien Hatcher
Tie Domi
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Wish they were all in the OPC Premier or Upper Deck set. Amazing rookie class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
I agree. UD comes the closest of all the 1990 sets, only missing Brodeur, Konstantinov, Irbe, & Domi. However, the Lindros is not quite the same, being a group card w/ "Canada's Captains" instead of just him alone like w/ Score.
Roger Staubach
John Riggins
Jim Plunkett
Gene Upshaw
Rayfield Wright
Ted Hendricks
Steve Spurrier
Arching Manning
Larry Little
Phil Vilapiano
John Brockington
John Niland
Lyle Alzado
George Atkinson
Dan Pastorini
Mel Gray
Harold Jackson
Ron Yary
Willie Ellison
Emmitt Thomas
Randy Vataha
Im sure i missed a few
I also agree with another poster that 86 is the worst, especially Topps which didn't include Fielder. It's a nice set, but absolutely no rookies.
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<< <i>While the 87 baseball rookies had the most hype that I've ever seen, it appears to me that the 89 baseball rookies ended up outperforming and is probably the best rookie crop.
I also agree with another poster that 86 is the worst, especially Topps which didn't include Fielder. It's a nice set, but absolutely no rookies. >>
Um, not sure what you mean there about Fielder. Not my card, but I do believe this was from Topps (and not update either since the updates aren't really in the same discussion):