9OC to 8.5 Anyone???

reelinintheyears

I'm pretty certain that going from a 9OC to a straight 8 is fairly commonplace, but have any of you been successful converting a 9OC to an 8.5 through a review or by cracking out and resubmitting?

gameusedhoop

I would think that this would nearly impossible, as with the .5 scheme, there is supposed to be an empahsis on centering.

grote15

No.

Technically any Mint 9 grade with a qualifier should (emphasis on should) grade a straight NM 7, though market value for a Mint 9 OC is typically stronger than that for a straight NM 7.

sixtiessammy64

It's unlikely as most 8.5s have strong centering.

LarkinCollector

<< <i>No.

Technically any Mint 9 grade with a qualifier should (emphasis on should) grade a straight NM 7, though market value for a Mint 9 OC is typically stronger than that for a straight NM 7. >>


This is how it's calculated for the registry, but is not always the case. Using a Beckett-like breakdown, if a card had subs of:

Corner - 10
Edge - 10
Surface - 10
Centering - 8 (lets say it's 66/34 T/B and 50/50 R/L)

You could see this card in a 9(OC) holder or an 8.5, assuming the other 3 attributes are strong enough to warrant the half point bump

Griffins

I'd say no. From what I've been told if a card can be dropped by 1 grade in order to get rid of the qualifier it will automatically- eg if a 9oc could be a straight 8, then it would get the 8 and not the 9oc.
Based on that, if the same grader or similar criteria were used, the best it could get is a straight 7.
If you crack and resubmit you could get a more lenient grader, depending on how close to specs the card is. But I think you've got little chance of a half grade drop.

Has anyone seen a half grade with a qualifier? Thought that was an impossibility.

grote15

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<< <i>No.

Technically any Mint 9 grade with a qualifier should (emphasis on should) grade a straight NM 7, though market value for a Mint 9 OC is typically stronger than that for a straight NM 7. >>


This is how it's calculated for the registry, but is not always the case. Using a Beckett-like breakdown, if a card had subs of:

Corner - 10
Edge - 10
Surface - 10
Centering - 8 (lets say it's 66/34 T/B and 50/50 R/L)

You could see this card in a 9(OC) holder or an 8.5, assuming the other 3 attributes are strong enough to warrant the half point bump >>



BGS may grade that way, but PSA doesn't use that formula. In my experience, the vast majority of cards that are graded Mint 9 with a qualifier will straight grade NM 7. I'd even go as far as to say that it is impossible for a 9OC card to grade an 8.5 in a PSA holder, if the card were graded correctly as 9OC. PSA generally uses the Mint 9 grade with a qualifier if the card would otherwise grade as Mint 9, but the qualifier is too significant to overlook. If the centering is not strong enough for a 9, but good enough for an 8, they will usually net grade the card as NM-MT 8.

reelinintheyears

I prefer OC but otherwise truly mint vintage cards to better centered vintage cards with wear issues; I'm particularly fond of sharp corners, sharp focus, and high gloss, but in most cases choose not to (or am unable to) pay for vintage cards in 9 NQ holders. Since I don't enter my cards into the registry, the 2 point deduction for qualifiers doesn't concern me. The quality/size of most scans online are not sufficient to enable me to adequately judge whether a card received a 7 or 8 due to centering rather than wear issues. I suppose it's fair to assume that a 7 or 8 with great centering has one or more issues which kept it from receiving a 9; however, when a 7 or 8 is clearly OC then it becomes very difficult to know whether or not centering was the only issue identified by the grader. With so many collectors requesting NQ when submitting cards, 7's and 8's are much more common than 9 OC's, and with so many 7's and 8's to choose from it would really be nice to be able to judge them from one another with respect to issues other than just centering.

gemint

<< <i>I'd say no. From what I've been told if a card can be dropped by 1 grade in order to get rid of the qualifier it will automatically- eg if a 9oc could be a straight 8, then it would get the 8 and not the 9oc.
Based on that, if the same grader or similar criteria were used, the best it could get is a straight 7.
If you crack and resubmit you could get a more lenient grader, depending on how close to specs the card is. But I think you've got little chance of a half grade drop.

Has anyone seen a half grade with a qualifier? Thought that was an impossibility. >>



I don't think the half grades allow for qualifiers. I'll be testing the theory that a card would drop more than 1 grade if you remove the qualifier. I have a 1961 Gentile that is a 9PD but the PD doesn't seem very apparent to me. The previous owner got a 7 the first time they graded it, then a 9PD the next time. I'm going to send it in for a review because it looks solid enough to get an 8 NQ. It's certainly nicer than most 8s I've seen. I'd rather have a well centered example with a hint of snow than the 69-31 8's I've seen on eBay over the years.

GDM67

<< <i>I prefer OC but otherwise truly mint vintage cards to better centered vintage cards with wear issues; I'm particularly fond of sharp corners, sharp focus, and high gloss, but in most cases choose not to (or am unable to) pay for vintage cards in 9 NQ holders. >>

As I've written here before, I agree.