Do you think this is a MS66RD IH?

shylock

No doubt wonderfully struck, the feathers are all there and a 66RD reverse.

But...you fill in the blanks.

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Lakesammman

All I can say is it's not one I would have included in my set.

291fifth

I wouldn't buy it as RED.

tradedollarnut

I'd have to see it in hand. I have first hand experience that sometimes photographs make things look worse than they actually are. For instance, what appears to be dark somewhat opaque spots in the image could very well be lively bright and translucent red of a different color in hand. And that would change my opinion of what the coin could grade.

indeetlib

Technically…maybe (barely). But definitely not what you'd like to see for a 66RD.

DeepCoin

I wonder if it turned in the holder?

shylock

I wonder if it turned in the holder?

I don't think so, and I agree with TDN that it has to be seen in hand.

It's very possible the birthmarks aren't as bad as imaged, it is a 67 strike, and 66RD was the compromise grade.

But from the image those birthmarks are hard to get past.

mercurydimeguy

This is one downside of a grade guarantee an/or regrade. Conceptually it's a good idea but in practice (unintentionally) borderline coins have a grade floor. So they are effectively graded up, while raw coins have a ceiling and are effectively graded down.

Again, there is no conspiracy theory here but just the practicality of how this sort if a rule plays out in real life.

MGLICKER

<< <i>I'd have to see it in hand. I have first hand experience that sometimes photographs make things look worse than they actually are. For instance, what appears to be dark somewhat opaque spots in the image could very well be lively bright and translucent red of a different color in hand. And that would change my opinion of what the coin could grade. >>



Emmis.

lostincoins

I agree with the thought that the lighting in the photo could be making the spots look worse than they are.

rhedden

I will take a different viewpoint and postulate that this was a dipped coin that somehow slipped past the graders and got in a RD holder. The dark spot reminds me so much of the splotches that form on a dipped coin after an improper rinse. Perhaps I would have a different opinion if I saw the coin in the holder, but I think PCGS would not grade that coin "RD" if it looked like the image when submitted.

EagleEye

HAL: Dave, I think this can only be attributed to human error.

lostincoins

Thats a good one Rick I will be bugging you soon. Do they sell coins at the gem show?

lkeigwin

It is one of those coins that, if you sent it in for a grade review, would come back 66RD; but if cracked and submitted would not earn 66RD.
Lance.

keyman64

It is not a "RED" coin that I would buy.

ambro51

I would classify that staining as a mark in a prime focal area. It's a 65 as I see it because of the very diminished eye appeal. That's a coin that will grow old in a dealers case.

VanHalen

<< <i>Not with that giant spot in such a prime focal area. Also, what's going on with her chin? Weakness around the T of LIBERTY? I have no idea what a 66rd goes for, and I hardly know how to grade cents, but I don't think that would meet most standards for a 66rd coin. >>



Wholesale value jumps from $400 to $1200 when going from 65RD to 66RD. I can't see too many people paying $1200 for that one.

lostincoins

What about sending it in for restoration?

OldIndianNutKase

I have 64 and 65's that have way more eye appeal than the MS66 that the OP posted. The "stain" in front of the Indian's face may only be a toning aberration and not a surface defect, but it does distract from the coin's appearance in a very significant way. I would not pay MS66 price for the coin. I have a 1877 PF65RB IHC that has a similar issue and almost perfect except for that:



For those that have concern that the coin changed in the holder, perhaps PCGS should "mandate" TrueView pictures of all regular and Secure Plus submissions. I would be happy to pay for the TrueView, because on "valuable" coins I always include it anyway.

OINK

lkeigwin

Restoration wouldn't help. PCGS wouldn't even try.

I'll bet it's a lot prettier than the photos, and that the unfortunate spots are not quite as bad as the pictures suggest. Still, it probably wouldn't draw 66RD money.
Lance.

Shamika

Obverse looks like 64RD with the discoloration.

shylock

HAL: Dave, I think this can only be attributed to human error.

Rick - I really appreciate a dealer who has a sense of humor, and a Kubrick reference

georgiacop50

It's a 66RD by NGC standards.

Maybe Rick Montgomery was doing a special guest appearance?

ambro51

After really studying that stain, I'm going to advance the theory it's alloy discoloration, hence, as struck and RD. Look very carefully and note how it flows especially through the raised letters, and it's border look. Compare it to the other spotted coin, and how it looks different. Hmmmmmmm

drwstr123

That obverse spot is what kept it from a 67.