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Contemporary Counterfeit 8 Reales book recommendation (Updated 2/27/2014)

Hi all,

What is the Go-To reference(s) for counterfeit 8 reales from the 19th, 18th, centuries (or earlier)?

I know Riddell has his 1845 Monograph, which is available in re-printed versions, but what else is out there?
StacksBowers lists in their description of a GNL reference, but I do not know what this reference is.

Any and all help appreciated...and I'll take this topic over to the World Coin forum if responses here are few are far between.


UPDATE Book should be available early 2015 (according to one of the authors

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good question. No idea.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good question. No idea. >>



    Damn.

    I saw the Henway response and thought, this guy knows everything! image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,499 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Good question. No idea. >>



    Damn.

    I saw the Henway response and thought, this guy knows everything! image >>



    Know what you know and know what you don't know. Words of wisdom.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    I just did some deeper searching and apparently the ANS is publishing a book by GNL on counterfeit 8 reales this year (2014).
    Apparently more than 1,000 different varieties will be in that book.

    Unfortunately I was unable to locate this project on the ANS website...so I will wait and see when it comes out.

    I picked up ~20-25 contemporary counterfeit 8 reales today and just want to organize them more appropriately!
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just did some deeper searching and apparently the ANS is publishing a book by GNL on counterfeit 8 reales this year (2014).

    That's great news! Who's GNL?

    Edited to answer my own question, thanks to Google. Gurney/Nichols/Lorenzo.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275


    << <i>I just did some deeper searching and apparently the ANS is publishing a book by GNL on counterfeit 8 reales this year (2014).

    That's great news! Who's GNL? >>


    Found the information here: Linky

    GNL is: Gurney/Nichols/Lorenzo
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Update: Book should be available early 2015 - just submitted for final review this past week!
  • Just Released - Amazon Books. 600 pages. Search: Eight Reale.

    The portrait style Spanish-American eight-reales was one of the most well known, and extensively circulated silver trade coins that the world has ever seen. Produced in Spain's new world colonies from 1772 to 1825, the coin made Spain a major player on the world financial stage in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. This was due in large measure to the fact this coin accounted for about sixty percent of the annual silver production worldwide. The popularity and general acceptance of this particular coin – the portrait style piece-of-eight – made it the object of forgers who operated in all areas of the globe. It was a coin not merely counterfeited in the countries of origin, but in all of the places where it was accepted as currency in day-to-day transactions. It was produced in small back-room operations and in large factories. It was produced at times in utter secrecy, yet at other times it was more or less an “open secret.” It was produced as both worthless base metal copies and as “perfect” imitations containing the correct amount of silver. It has been made to circulate as currency, as well as to specifically deceive collectors. The fascinating story of these counterfeit issues created from shortly after the coin appeared until the present, is the subject of this book. The author, Robert Gurney, known to many coin collectors as “Swamper Bob,” has been a lifelong enthusiast of the series. His interest commenced as a teen when he met and spoke to one of the forgers who actually made these coins for a living in the 1920's. The story may at times not seem possible, but the newest scientific tests available provide conclusive evidence for the production of counterfeit versions made for circulation as late as 1930. With contributions made by several notable collectors, including Richard August, John Lorenzo and Gordon Nichols, this book documents the four different classifications of counterfeit eight-reales developed by the author to fit the needs of this particular series. The book illustrates and describes literally hundreds of different types of counterfeits known to have circulated alongside the genuine versions. It specifically expands upon the Thirty-nine varieties noted by Dr. John L. Riddell as existing in circulation in New Orleans in 1845, and swells that number to some 589 varieties. This book was not written just for coin collectors, the subject is actually much broader. It is at its heart a history of the coin covering a period of 240 years of use and production. It is also the story of the methods and reasons for producing both counterfeits and forgeries during that same interval. The players and their motivations for the production of deceptive copies for over 240 years, provides insight into human nature. The book is presented as a start to a long needed discussion - one that is decades overdue. It is only a start. The author hopes that this publication will bring old counterfeits out of their hiding places and into the light of day, where the varieties from childishly crude to artistically superb can be appreciated by everyone. Solamente el comienzo!
    Primarily a collector of error coins over the next decade after collecting for 40 years. Have collected & studied every coin series in the Western Hemishere - yes - even ...

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